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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

nitram100 said:
I think the X means it has auto overclocking (xfr), maybe someone else can clarify that! I'm getting the non X as I am happy to tinker with the bios settings to overclock.
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Is the 1700 (non-X) not going to be a 65w CPU though? Dunno what that means for OC'ing yet, but I assume not great. Probably decent for lower power though.

My use will primarily be encoding, so moooaaarrrr cores is better for me, and if they are really as good at multi-thread applications as has been leaked, I'll be a very happy bunny. I can forgo the drop in gaming quality, since I only just bought my first new GPU ever (and first dedicated GPU for about 5 years), and that was only really because I knew Ryzen didn't have integrated GPU.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
More threads is what DX12 and the majority of upcoming DX12 games will use. In the bench linked below you have slower speed and lower ipc hex cores keeping up with much faster i7 quad.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1263-gears-of-war-4-benchmarks/page4.html

Zen is built for now and the future at affordable prices.
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Well we've been hearing this for a while now, but as pointed out, it's just not happened yet. It will one day of course, but DX12 still needs A LOT of work yet anyway, so it's going to be some time before we see games really taking advantage of those extra cores to the point where switching from 4C to 6C/8C is actually a good value proposition. I agree Ryzen is built for the future, but a future where 6C/8C gaming is commonplace and noticeably advantageous over 4C is a faraway future indeed, at which point Ryzen may even be getting old.

For encoding and other apps where those extra cores come in to play today, this is where Ryzen looks to be set to crush Intel in respect to value. Of course, if they can offer a 4C or even 6C chip which comes seriously close to the 7700K but for a much lower price, that's a big win too.
 
RSR said:
If that's true we have full scale competition again..... which is brilliant news!
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what that means is low ocing so not as fast as you and many thought.from the sounds of it heat and getting a oc is basically not going to be happening on early revisions.

price is the key.roll on actual benchmarks.zen this madness can stop.
 
Benchmarks looking very good. Hopefully this is all true when we see reviews.

Its also a shame if the overclocking aspect is true as well. IF it matches a 6900k at stock but can't overclock well, then the 6900k will win. And by quite a way if it can't keep up at stock-stock.

Although yes they will be hugely cheaper but those wanting the absolute best in performance will still have to go intel which is a shame.
 
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tyler_jrb said:
Although yes they will be hugely cheaper but those wanting the absolute best in performance will still have to go intel which is a shame.
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Even if that's the case, I think many will find that a bitter pill to swallow, even those people who do want the best. It's all well and good when you have zero competition, but even if Ryzen doesn't quite manage to topple it, AMD's aggressive pricing will make Intel look even more ridiculous and greedy than we already know they are! It's really hard to imagine the Broadwell-E range staying where it is regards price to be honest. It will become the worst value proposition in PC tech ever.
 
I'm intrigued by the recent motherboard updates. Some were saying here ASrock skimp on their power phases but they are currently advertising 16 phase on their boards with everyone else hovering around the 10/12 phases for the 370 chipset.

Is this jiggerypokery or have they actually pulled something out of the bag?
 
Legend said:
Even if that's the case, I think many will find that a bitter pill to swallow, even those people who do want the best. It won't make Intel's pricing look any less ridiculous. It's all well and good when you have zero competition, but even if Ryzen doesn't quite manage to topple it, AMD's aggressive pricing will make Intel look even more greedy than we already know they are! It's really hard to imagine the Broadwell-E range staying where it is to be honest.
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Yes I completely agree. intel will have to drop prices no matter what. And id imagine by quite a way too.

Which will be even harder to swallow for those who have recently purchased new intel x99/kabylake cpu's.
 
Nutella33 said:
I'm intrigued by the recent motherboard updates. Some were saying here ASrock skimp on their power phases but they are currently advertising 16 phase on their boards with everyone else hovering around the 10/12 phases for the 370 chipset.
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It may have changed but Asrock used to have a rep for using doublers so they could advertise more phases than their competitors.
 
tyler_jrb said:
Yes I completely agree. intel will have to drop prices no matter what. And id imagine by quite a way too.
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Intel won't panic cut prices, that's just not their way but by the summer I'd be surprised if they hadn't lopped off £50/$50 off the i5's and closer to £100/$100 of the i7's.
 
Well when I bought my 3770k everyone was saying don't bother with the HT and just get the 3750k....I'm glad I did not listen as the extra threads seems to make a difference a few years down the line.......So Im kind of leaning to be in the MOooooRE CORES crowd....
 
ubersonic said:
It may have changed but Asrock used to have a rep for using doublers so they could advertise more phases than their competitors.
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That could be it, thanks. Couldn't quite reconcile myself with the fatality branding but wasn't sure if I might be missing something with the power delivery system.
 
Nutella33 said:
I'm intrigued by the recent motherboard updates. Some were saying here ASrock skimp on their power phases but they are currently advertising 16 phase on their boards with everyone else hovering around the 10/12 phases for the 370 chipset.

Is this jiggerypokery or have they actually pulled something out of the bag?
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ASRock are, as far as I'm concerned, the Wild Card company. You never know what they're about to pull out of their bag. Other motherboard makers may be better or may be worse, but I don't know of any that is as willing to say "Hey - watch this" as much as ASRock. :D
 
xs2man said:
Is the 1700 (non-X) not going to be a 65w CPU though? Dunno what that means for OC'ing yet, but I assume not great. Probably decent for lower power though.
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It's 65W because it doesn't have XFR. They are basically saying this CPU doesn't need extra power, or amazing cooling, because it'll never go out of its stated frequency range.

The X CPU's need a higher TDP rating because they can take advantage of better cooling and auto overclock beyond their specs.

However, if you are manually OC'ing then you are also essentially overriding the stated TDP rating.

What we don't know is if the X CPU's are cherry picked to hit higher speeds, or if they're exactly the same as the non-X but with XFR turned on.
 
Nutella33 said:
I'm intrigued by the recent motherboard updates. Some were saying here ASrock skimp on their power phases but they are currently advertising 16 phase on their boards with everyone else hovering around the 10/12 phases for the 370 chipset.

Is this jiggerypokery or have they actually pulled something out of the bag?
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I have the Asrock Z170 Formula OC. The available power is there, shame I have to delid the 6700K for 24/7 5ghz or more, while it has all settings required in bios for extreme LN2 overclocking.
I dont know about their cheap lineup, but the top end is great.
 
Bobmunkhouse said:
Well when I bought my 3770k everyone was saying don't bother with the HT and just get the 3750k....I'm glad I did not listen as the extra threads seems to make a difference a few years down the line.......So Im kind of leaning to be in the MOooooRE CORES crowd....
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People are still saying that today if you can believe it.
 
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