*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[Hotwired]

You're on the wrong forum.

People who have no intention of running gear out of spec still come here to talk. The stock performance is extremely important because most buyers will never fiddle the settings.

Was discussing this the other day with someone doing 3d modelling, his personal gear is tweaked but the workstations the company provides are totally stock and no fiddling allowed. They cba with it.

 

[flopper]

Lets not their infamous "overclockers dream" comment about the Fury X 2 years ago, we all know what happened with that.

On another note as a company if they can't deliver this time they will be in serious trouble.

that comment was in relation to the cooling solution, not the card.
went viral due to misunderstanding.

 

[haszek]

Don't understand those people recommending 7700k...

Look at the thread from few years back https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...overclocking-review-and-performance.18685403/

How certain people were saying x99 is the king if priced at the same level as mainstream 4core... Now we quite possible will have better multicore platform than it was before, kabylake which didn't bring any improvement other than higher speed and suddenly is the king? 1.5years after? when games actually started utilizing multi cores?

Comments like sure skylake is only few % faster in old games so why would you even consider it buying instead x99 if priced the same...

4core old games = x99 future

 

[Drollic]

Don't forget you can often achieve higher than stock clocks with less than specified auto voltages with no issues with stability. There is virtually no reason not to do this unless you don't know what you're doing and/or are just lazy. My 3770k on an Asus board wants around 1.2v auto for 3.9. I choose to run 1.184v for 4.3. There's lots of examples across a range of cpus and boards like this.

 

[TNA]

I am on the right forum - you need to remember some of us oldies remember why overclocking was a big deal.



Cheap CPUs with huge overclocks matching more expensive CPUs - the problem is overclocking by 10% is fine and dandy but now Intel and AMD has made overclocking a paid for feature.

You want to try some fun - I had a high VID Q6600 in a 975X based Shuttle with a modified Shuttle stock cooler.

That was very interesting overclocking that and keeping it cool in a tiny chassis. Still got 3GHZ~ 3.2GHZ out of it IIRC.

The same goes with graphics card - I remember how much my HD5850 overclocked,from 725MHZ to 950MHZ. You rarely get the same performance boost with many modern graphics cards via overclocking.

Edit!!

In fact the last exciting Intel overclocking CPU was the Core i5 6400 BCLK overclocked due to that bug.

I was only messing with ya cat

They should release a special "overclockers dream" SKU. Same as an 1800X just running at 2.8GHz out of the box. You can have all the fun of getting it to 4.2 yourself

lol

 

[Nutella33]

Doh. So I guess the NDA is being lifted on the 2nd of March then? I thought it was going to be today but I guess I got it wrong? Sorry so much content to read in this thread I can't catch up with it all.

There were mentions of releases on the 28th but anandtech posted saying they are sticking to the 2nd.

Might have been confused with the GPU stuff that's happening today. Never know something might come out tonight tho.

 

[ljt]

I remember my first CPU I overclocked was an AMD Duron from here many years ago. I think it was a 600Mhz overclocked to 1Ghz iirc

Near enough Athlon @ 1Ghz performance for considerably cheaper. Those were the days!

 

[darket]

Don't understand those people recommending 7700k...

Look at the thread from few years back https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...overclocking-review-and-performance.18685403/

How certain people were saying x99 is the king if priced at the same level as mainstream 4core... Now we quite possible will have better multicore platform than it was before, kabylake which didn't bring any improvement other than higher speed and suddenly is the king? 1.5years after? when games actually started utilizing multi cores?

Comments like sure skylake is only few % faster in old games so why would you even consider it buying instead x99 if priced the same...

4core old games = x99 future

Its simply because 322fps vs 315fps is considered a win which is mental considering 99% of people play with vsync on and don't ever run into a cpu bottleneck outside of benchmarks and stress tests. My titan X pascal is the one and only Gpu i've ever owned that can max out the cpu in a single thread in Heaven benchmark. In real world scenarios and games its still the gpu holding the system back.(if thats even a thing......)

 

[haszek]

that still doesn't make sense if we are talking about cheaper price for more cores and as you say no visible improvement in framerates...why i7?

 

[harney]

Ahh man, My Celeron 300A , that was a beast, knocked the stuffing out of a PII450

Oh they where little slot gems them..if i remember correctly you could pin mod just by covering one of the pins to oc
and also pin mod and solder for dual Celeron support

Great times

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I was only messing with ya cat


lol

I know - I just hope if Ryzen is successful,Intel will also try and allow overclocking on more SKUs. Even if I have mocked the Core i3 7350K - if it were closer to £90 to £100,and could use cheaper motherboards like the B250 it would be a solid choice for a budget build,but at £175 its a bit meh.

I dunno I always found overclocking cheaper parts more fun especially if you use a cheaper motherboard - you do need to take more care as its less straightforward than those fancy old singing high end ones you get now!!

I nearly did pick up a G3258 myself until I realised I did not need one.

 

[tyler_jrb]

That shiny ryzen logo on the IHS though

Some rather nice extras in the video too.

 

[Zeed]

what u know about overclocking.

First thing i overclocked was 286sx to 25mhz using jumpers on ecs motherboard and i was like what 10-12 years old ??

I overclock the **** out of everything. My car is overclocked my phone is overclocked **** if i could i would overclock my ps4 !!!!
Did all sort of solder pencil mods. My mate milled out a water block for me o use at my celeron 300A !!!! Full on DIY Water loop using aquarium pump and heater matrix from old ford

 

[Cromulent]

There were mentions of releases on the 28th but anandtech posted saying they are sticking to the 2nd.

Might have been confused with the GPU stuff that's happening today. Never know something might come out tonight tho.

Cool. Thanks. I'll keep an eye on the GPU news since I want a new GPU with my computer as well .

 

[r22snapper]

Such a brave person - the B3 was deffo worse than the later G0 I had with regards to power consumption,heat,etc.



The main issue is that the 975X was a sub-optimal chipset for a Q6600,and since the Shuttle was a custom cooler using a custom mounting system,I had to be creative with modding the cooler.

So at one pointed I had the Q6600 overclocked and the HD5850 overclocking by nearing 30% and the amount of heat that was being venting out of the back and out of the side was quite substantial. This is how small the case was:

https://content.hwigroup.net/images/products_xl/001648/4/shuttle-sd37p2.jpg

Although before the Q6600,I had an E4300 and a E4500 and the first CPU in it was a Pentium D 805. I kind of tried overclocking the last one,but got a bit scared.

That is brave. I had a massive Silverstone full tower case and had trouble cooling it at 3GHz, if I'd have been using it in a case that size I think I'd have melted through the floor!

 

[TNA]

I know - I just hope if Ryzen is successful,Intel will also try and allow overclocking on more SKUs. Even if I have mocked the Core i3 7350K - if it were closer to £90 to £100,and could use cheaper motherboards like the B250 it would be a solid choice for a budget build,but at £175 its a bit meh.

I dunno I always found overclocking cheaper parts more fun especially if you use a cheaper motherboard - you do need to take more care as its less straightforward than those fancy old singing high end ones you get now!!

I nearly did pick up a G3258 myself until I realised I did not need one.

I know what you mean, I have a G3258 in my partners PC running at 4.6GHz on a cheap hyper 212 evo cooler and it is super fast

 

[KompuKare]

that comment was in relation to the cooling solution, not the card.
went viral due to misunderstanding.

Always though it was something along that line. For Hawaii they released with a poor cooler, and for Fury they fixed that. Problem really was that chip couldn't overclock much; might have been the GPU, might have been the HBM but either way it wasn't a HD7950 (AFAIR some of those were good for over 50% overclocks).
Simple enough really for overclocking you really need three things:

1. Good cooling
2. Good board quality (VRMs etc.)
3. Good chip

Reference Hawaii had 2 and mostly 3. Fury had 1 and 2. Nvidia reference designs even for chips like the 980 Ti mostly ever only have 3 as they are too tight to overspec their boards and even their fancy looking coolers aren't that good.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

That is brave. I had a massive Silverstone full tower case and had trouble cooling it at 3GHz, if I'd have been using it in a case that size I think I'd have melted through the floor!

The motherboard also used mostly electrolyte capacitors and not always well known brands too. So what I did for the chipset heatsinks,is I added an active cooled heatsink to one,and a large heatsink to another. I installed new fans,which ran at constant speed to make sure the VRMs and capacitors around there had constant airflow,and modded part of the standard cooler since it would be difficult to add a new one due to the propriety cooler.

I also made sure all the cards I installed had blower coolers - a number of people who had unmodded SD37P2 systems with higher TDP parts like what I was using could have them go kaput due to capacitor failure. Mine lasted nearly 5 years until it had one or two issues,and upgradetitus kicked in and I moved over to SB.

I know what you mean, I have a G3258 in my partners PC running at 4.6GHz on a cheap hyper 212 evo cooler and it is super fast

I almost got one for mucking around with but the other PC was not that bad,so I could not justify it.

 

[ubersonic]

I overclock the **** out of everything. My car is overclocked my phone is overclocked **** if i could i would overclock my ps4 !!!!

Okay I understand that you probably mean you raised the boost (or bought one of those snake oil diesel chips off ebay), but why the hell would you overclock a phone? It won't make messages/emails arrive quicker, it's just going to increase heat and drain the battery faster.

 

[labbby]

what u know about overclocking.

First thing i overclocked was 286sx to 25mhz using jumpers on ecs motherboard and i was like what 10-12 years old ??

I overclock the **** out of everything. My car is overclocked my phone is overclocked **** if i could i would overclock my ps4 !!!!
Did all sort of solder pencil mods. My mate milled out a water block for me o use at my celeron 300A !!!! Full on DIY Water loop using aquarium pump and heater matrix from old ford

Are you sure your name isn't Macgyver ?