*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[karik666]

This is why you shouldnt preorder stuff.

 

[Scramz]

How much time are they going to give people to cancel their pre-orders before shipping orders

Shocked that e-tailers did post them yesterday to get them gone before the reviews!

 

[Matkinson]

The gaming is nothing short of a let down.
But the performance is there, it's looks like a fixable problem.

This is also my theory, or maybe I'm just optimistic...

 

[Orcvader]

Performs nicely in CPU multi threaded stuff, but in gaming... what's going on? Hopefully it's some sort of weird thread priority thing that can be fixed with an update, could be doing what BD had when it first came out, not prioritising the main cores first over the second core. Even SB is extremely close to Ryzen gaming performance when overclocked above 4.5GHz+.

Overclocking seems disappointing as well, looks like these chips are close to their top clocks already.

I'll wait for the 6 core version, hopefully some more BIOS updates and OS optimisations would be released then which will allow these chips to perform more nicely. I don't game that much any more, but I still want a decent jump from my 2600K .

 

[harney]

Performance does seem hit and miss - in some reviews it is more competitive and in some others its not.

SMT causing performance regressions in games is a tad worrying though.

Agree there does seem to be a differences .....1700 is a buety for the cost

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The gaming is nothing short of a let down.
But the performance is there, it's looks like a fixable problem.

But as TH said the whole launch was rushed - AMD only has themselves to blame. Its why Nvidia cream them in card sales - they launch some fantastic cards.....but half finished. The prime example is the R9 290X which should have been a mega-hit. The only thing as usual AMD clutches defeat from the jaws of victory. At times it makes me wonder what the heck they are thinking. Its sad.

 

[old gamer]

if smt is a problem gaming I would be interested to see what its like disabled, running just the 8 physical cores would produce lees heat and use less power so might even get higher clocks

 

[Scramz]

Rushed or not rushed, these CPU's are fantastic bag for buck in all areas. Its a great lineup for the price.

 

[~>Dg<~]

i think its pretty clear. its the ryzen you didnt see the gaming benchmarks at events.

there still great cpus.just if you a gamer mainly just buy a intel.

 

[africanos23]

Going by a few reviews I have read, they can squeeze more out of the 1800x so I won't cancel my pre-order. This review especially.

 

[Yaayuh!]

I honestly don't see the problem.

I am impressed that the "leaks" were pretty spot on, but suspiciously so . As for gaming performance, here's clearly an issue that needs to be sorted, I expect BIOS updates and the like will resolve a lot of it. Also, like a previously said, if your PC is purely a gaming machine, I don't understand why you would go for an 8/16 CPU setup right now anyway.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

if smt is a problem gaming I would be interested to see what its like disabled, running just the 8 physical cores would produce lees heat and use less power so might even get higher clocks

But thats the issue - AMD should have recognised this in internal testing and had this as part of the review guide. This is the R9 290X all over again.

 

[lltfdaniel]

Looks like the 7700k is still king eh for gaming?

I still have plans to buy the 1600x over the i5 7600k i think it is.

 

[alexp999]

Gibbo has already said in his OC thread that the retail CPUs seem to clock better than the samples, also higher mem OC does more for performance than CPU clock over 4GHz.

I'll be comparing to my 4770K, I'm quite interested in seeing peoples results with the retail units on newer BIOS.

 

[Toss3]

I honestly don't see the problem.

I am impressed that the "leaks" were pretty spot on, but suspiciously so . As for gaming performance, here's clearly an issue that needs to be sorted, I expect BIOS updates and the like will resolve a lot of it. Also, like a previously said, if your PC is purely a gaming machine, I don't understand why you would go for an 8/16 CPU setup right now anyway.

Sad part is that AMD is probably going to lose an immense amount of those pre-orders due to their inability to fix the issue before launch (could be a hardware limitation as well).

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I honestly don't see the problem.

I am impressed that the "leaks" were pretty spot on, but suspiciously so . As for gaming performance, here's clearly an issue that needs to be sorted, I expect BIOS updates and the like will resolve a lot of it. Also, like a previously said, if your PC is purely a gaming machine, I don't understand why you would go for an 8/16 CPU setup right now anyway.

Its more the case it makes the 6C and 4C models also look potentially meh,so AMD needs to do something about this.

 

[IvanDobskey]

Read a review with some proper gaming benches. It's as i expected then, a fantastic cpu for heavily threaded specialised applications, but not such a great gaming cpu.

Happy enough i went with a 6700k for my own purposes, which is mainly gaming.

 

[FrozenShivers]

Seems like mixed results gaming wise, I'm more interested in 1600X personally, but wondering why the reviews vary so much.

 

[DragonQ]

It doesn't really make sense that all single-threaded benchmarks put it ahead of Haswell but then it gets beaten by a similarly-clocked 4770K in gaming benchmarks. Something weird is definitely going on there.

 

[Scramz]

Sad part is that AMD is probably going to lose an immense amount of those pre-orders due to their inability to fix the issue before launch (could be a hardware limitation as well).

I don't think they will lose an immense amount. Not in the slightest.