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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Yeah,but in the end each person has the right to judge it based on what they use it for.

Like I mentioned,I might be doing an R7 1700 build for a mate who is more a casual gamer,but uses his rig to do more non-gaming stuff.
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Exactly, people need to look at it from a Needs and Wants basis. For myself Ryzen is a slam dunk, and I'm sure it'll be for enterprise as well.

It's a shame about gaming, and I hope and think they'll sort it out. Hopefully soon, as that's honestly the only big issue with Ryzen.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Its getting increasing annoying that some are taking zero criticism for these CPUs - everybody who does not play games which run well on Ryzen or are not the latest multi-threaded monsters should shut up even when its obvious it does fairly poorly in some major titles.
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I think it's more a case that many of us (including you I thought) have been around long enough to have seen a new architecture design launch (IIRC AMD's last was 2011 and Intel's was around 2006 lol) and know that these type of things are to be expected.


CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Now we are living in the hope MS will fix the scheduler and the motherboard companies will fix the BIOSes.
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That's pretty much a given really, the current BIOSes are essentially developmental prototypes that got released due to motherboard manufacturers not having enough lead time before the rushed launch to actually get a launch quality BIOS done (AMD's fault ofc), and MS will have to fix the scheduler issues as they cannot support only one CPU manufacturer (and post Vista CPU extensions are quite dependent on O/S support) but they too were given limited time to get it done.
 
AMDMatt said:
I don't have a Ryzen CPU or system yet mate. Shocking when you consider i work for AMD. :( :D

That said, i should get a 1700 on Monday, but looks like i might be waiting a while to get a Asus Crosshair VI Hero motherboard.
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Ha, I thought you would have got a freebie, I am waiting on some motherboards to come back in stock!
 
ubersonic said:
That's pretty much a given really, the current BIOSes are essentially developmental prototypes that got released due to motherboard manufacturers not having enough lead time before the rushed launch to actually get a launch quality BIOS done (AMD's fault ofc), and MS will have to fix the scheduler issues as they cannot support only one CPU manufacturer (and post Vista CPU extensions are quite dependent on O/S support) but they too were given limited time to get it done.
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1 year isn't enough time? really?
 
ubersonic said:
I think it's more a case that many of us (including you I thought) have been around long enough to have seen a new architecture design launch (IIRC AMD's last was 2011 and Intel's was around 2006 lol) and know that these type of things are to be expected.



That's pretty much a given really, the current BIOSes are essentially developmental prototypes that got released due to motherboard manufacturers not having enough lead time before the rushed launch to actually get a launch quality BIOS done (AMD's fault ofc), and MS will have to fix the scheduler issues as they cannot support only one CPU manufacturer (and post Vista CPU extensions are quite dependent on O/S support) but they too were given limited time to get it done.
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Maybe,you also need to consider I have said it many times before - I hoped AMD would not rush it out,because first impression do count,and it happens with their graphics cards too. Look at how many of us will recommend an RX480 or RX470,etc over a GTX1060 6GB/3GB and the GTX1050TI. However,looking at the sales figures,what is likelihood Nvidia sells more of them,just because Nvidia had aftermarket GTX1060 cards available to buy when there were only RX480 cards available with the meh stock cooler which made it look worse than it should.

AMD knew there were patches available in a month and they only gave OEMs three weeks to sort BIOSes out - this is all rushed for no real reason,especially when motherboards are not even available in enough quantities.

The problem is also they gave contradictory messages in the AMA regarding the poor performance - Robert Hallock himself said the poor performance was NOT down to the windows scheduler but needed game by game optimisation,and had no time-frame on how long it would take. This very different than a windows scheduler update since he is hinting it needs devs to fix performance which could take anything from weeks to months,or even never. I am not the only one to touch on it.

There is no guarantee to say some of the performance issues will ever get sorted,they could,but they might not. This is the problem. Its why I am so annoyed by it all and why outside of forums people will just go buy Intel and Nvidia still.

Remember even when AMD had clear performance leads in CPU and GPU,people still bought competing products which were worse like the P4 and Nvidia FX cards.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
You can say that but when Bulldozer launched,Asus was the best OEM by far for motherboards - Gigabyte due to its lack of LLC,meant they sucked!! Mates with the Asus 970 motherboards had very few issues,and MSI motherboards could have issues with the VRMs.

The thing is AMD still controls the launch,and they need to manage these things,even if it means Asus gets no exposure at launch and even the same with the Windows 10 patches. AMD knew they would come in a month,so again its in their power to delay the launch a few weeks,so everything catches up. Remember,I am the one who managed to find that set of comments in that review and post them here,regarding the patches in a month or so,so at least we hope in a few weeks things might look better.
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Agree i have faith AMD will get things sorted
 
Harlequin said:
CAT - the mobo makers have had at least 1 YEAR to get this right! not 3 weeks
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That is assuming Ryzen was in its final form one year ago - if you do read through the various rumours there were hints of some major issues,and if AMD could only get everything working properly say a month ago,that fits with so much we have seen so far.
 
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I've noticed a few retailers have motherboards due in today - namely MSI and gigabyte.
As much as an i7 suits my needs at the moment (1080p 144z) I am this closing to taking a leap of faith in ryzen in the hope they can sort these bugs out.
The jay2cents video was interesting, heaven benchmark was maxing one core of the ryzen and hardly touching the rest, whereas the i7 it was spread out equally.
 
gavinh87 said:
I've noticed a few retailers have motherboards due in today - namely MSI and gigabyte.
As much as an i7 suits my needs at the moment (1080p 144z) I am this closing to taking a leap of faith in ryzen in the hope they can sort these bugs out.
The jay2cents video was interesting, heaven benchmark was maxing one core of the ryzen and hardly touching the rest, whereas the i7 it was spread out equally.
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I am sure things will get sorted ...and i feel the Ryzen is the better option going forward.... its a new architecture i would prefer spending my money on a new one than the drip feeder Intel arch which is what ..how old is it ?....
 
Has anyone not had a 1700 reach 3.9Ghz?

I'm still torn between 1800x and 1700. Money not an issue as I'd already budgeted for the 1800x anyway.

NINJA EDIT: Also, I've got 32Gb of Corsair 3000@C15 LED RAM here (2 x 16Gb sticks). I assume they'll be fine?
 
Martini1991 said:
In performance the 6900K is its competition, but it's priced at the 7700K level.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say in relation to my comment.

I nearly every AMD bumph I've seen, they marketed the Ryzen as a 6900k competitor, not a 7700k competitor. Pricing is irrelevant.
 
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