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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

RavenXXX2 said:
Gigabyte do dual bios, they are the boards to buy not Asus overpriced stuff.
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Agree I still do not understand how / why Asus became a premium.....The so called ASUS tax ....As a company its not a good rep to have ..but i suppose any talk re products is free advertising even if it is bad ...As a system builder i tend to stick with Gigabyte and msi ..i have had more issues with Asus boards in the past than any other board at the time ...
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Gigabyte do dual bios, they are the boards to buy not Asus overpriced stuff.
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Thing is power section on Gigabyte is not powerful enough... I will run this build at MAXIMUM CONSTANT like everything i ever owned most likely 1.4vcore+ so need best power section. And in that case There is only Asrock And Asus that got better ones....
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Wait the Crosshair doesn't have Dual Bios? Oof!

Then again, even my x99 Deluxe doesn't have it; I always thought they only reserved that for WS/ROG/Crosshair ones.

Considering the price, the boards really don't seem worth it then.
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My old Asus Q6600 board released in 2008 had a dual BIOS, which came to my rescue once.

I wouldn't buy a board without one, backward step from Asus, particularly in their high end range.
 
Lord_ZED said:
Thing is power section on Gigabyte is not powerful enough... I will run this build at MAXIMUM CONSTANT like everything i ever owned most likely 1.4vcore+ so need best power section. And in that case There is only Asrock And Asus that got better ones....
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The MSI tomahawks and other b350 boards so far with less VRM designs are doing just fine ....Until further testing is done in terms of how much load is really passed through the VRM's re ryzen and how the power delivery system works splits ect for each Motherboard ....no one needs 10+ VRMS ect most of these are just the manufacture dangling carrots sales techniques...

But you can look at past sockets with 100+ vrms gold capped titanium alloy hard as nails designs and find there no different to running the same cpu on a 4 to 6 vrm design re OC

Now for LN2 ect some high end VRM designs are needed but then i would still question that .....its all about how it delivers and there is more too it then just VRM's

Just another way to charge more...

At the end of the day something that is complicated and so called higher spec can have more problems than say a simple design ...its simple for a reason ...

New Cars are the same
 
Kelt said:
My old Asus Q6600 board released in 2008 had a dual BIOS, which came to my rescue once.

I wouldn't buy a board without one, backward step from Asus, particularly in their high end range.
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I'd be happy with a single bios on an established platform, but no way would I entertain it on a new one.

It's one reason chose a Gigabyte board when built my current system when Z87 / skt 1150 was still new and shiny.
 
apparently the word coming from a few other forums is that the latest round of bios updates is letting people hit 4ghz at lower vcore. Someone also managed 1.28 vcore at 4.2 ghz on a 1700. No idea on stability with that one.
 
Mauller said:
apparently the word coming from a few other forums is that the latest round of bios updates is letting people hit 4ghz at lower vcore. Someone also managed 1.28 vcore at 4.2 ghz on a 1700. No idea on stability with that one.
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ooooh, hopefully not the sleep resume bug / exploit and a real 4.2ghz OC!
 
Scramz said:
MSI B350 Tomahawk Bios Beta V114

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5xtefp/bios_update_for_the_msi_b350_tomahawk/denljsh/

I am on beta 113 at the moment, going to try this.
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Thanks buddy, let me know if you find any improvement in ram speeds.
I'm going to upgrade now purely for the boot time, its pretty bad at the moment lol.
A gripe of mine is where the CMOS jumpers and battery are, right under my bloody GPU. Any failed memory overclocks needs the GPU taking out, annoying.
 
harney said:
The MSI tomahawks and other b350 boards so far with less VRM designs are doing just fine ....Until further testing is done in terms of how much load is really passed through the VRM's re ryzen and how the power delivery system works splits ect for each Motherboard ....no one needs 10+ VRMS ect most of these are just the manufacture dangling carrots sales techniques...

But you can look at past sockets with 100+ vrms gold capped titanium alloy hard as nails designs and find there no different to running the same cpu on a 4 to 6 vrm design re OC

Now for LN2 ect some high end VRM designs are needed but then i would still question that .....its all about how it delivers and there is more too it then just VRM's

Just another way to charge more...

At the end of the day something that is complicated and so called higher spec can have more problems than say a simple design ...its simple for a reason ...

New Cars are the same
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U think i give a **** if board costs 150 or 250 ?? I just want best one on market since i will stick with it till AM5 socket comes out..
And so far in lat 5 years 4 motherboards died on me and 3 of them ware MSI X99......


You gotta look at this i'm changing from X99 to AM4 basically birning money away with zero gain cause i want to be back on AMD.
Ond once its at my place i will run it 4 or 4.1 even if cpu dies in one year i wont care since i will buy Ryzen 2 when its out.. I dont tend to keep hardware longer than 20 months. Sell still on warranty before it fries just after simple.
 
gavinh87 said:
Thanks buddy, let me know if you find any improvement in ram speeds.
I'm going to upgrade now purely for the boot time, its pretty bad at the moment lol.
A gripe of mine is where the CMOS jumpers and battery are, right under my bloody GPU. Any failed memory overclocks needs the GPU taking out, annoying.
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Thats annoying, haha.
 
Mauller said:
apparently the word coming from a few other forums is that the latest round of bios updates is letting people hit 4ghz at lower vcore. Someone also managed 1.28 vcore at 4.2 ghz on a 1700. No idea on stability with that one.
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What if the bios update was just reading the temp correctly this time. This seems more likely that we've been seeing bad temp readings. 1.45v and running cool? Yea morelike dud temp readouts ;B
 
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