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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Had quite the adventure last night but I did a nooblet mistake and got thermal paste on the pins of my 1700x, lol. One alcohol bath later and its chugging along in the backup motherboard just fine at 4GHz 1.41v.

Not going to touch the pc now until I can get my hands on a gigabyte K7 or Taichi, whichever comes first.
 
Minus1337 said:
Had quite the adventure last night but I did a nooblet mistake and got thermal paste on the pins of my 1700x, lol. One alcohol bath later and its chugging along in the backup motherboard just fine at 4GHz 1.41v.

Not going to touch the pc now until I can get my hands on a gigabyte K7 or Taichi, whichever comes first.
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Nice OC :D Really hoping I can hit 4Ghz at a reasonable voltage, just seems like a nice round number to hit rather than 3.9. Seems like there are plenty of delays on all the mobo brands, looking at OcUK's AM4 mobos is quite funny as they're all pretty much pre-order.
 
I believe you can do it Kris! I've heard good things about the Tomahawk board if anyone is in a rush. My streamer friend hit a decent OC with that and hasn't had much issues with it she says.

*edit* Also the lads at OcUK are going to get a laugh with my CH6 RMA because I only had Christmas wrapping paper to send it back with, haha.
 
Minus1337 said:
*edit* Also the lads at OcUK are going to get a laugh with my CH6 RMA because I only had Christmas wrapping paper to send it back with, haha.
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Excellent! :D

Hopefully the Taichi with a 1700X should get me an easy 4Ghz, just hoping that using 2x16Gb doesn't limit my RAM speeds too much, I think that'll be the bit that needs most tinkering or waiting for BIOS updates.
 
This thread has gone haywire since the launch (like all forums). Usually I pull back during this time and refrain from commenting, but I'm really confused by the reaction I've seen... Reviewers attacking each other. People nitpicking... It's crazy!

harney said:

15 mins 22mins in talking about 7700 stutters
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humbug said:
22:40 actually :)
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Ok, so we're watching videos to find where the 7700K stutters, the precise second, ...to justify what? That we need more cores?

In my eyes, 10-20 FPS more or less in 1080p means nothing. If you're a gamer you should be more worried about having a 144Hz monitor with adaptive sync and not whether you are hitting 120 or 130 frames per second. Bump up the settings and/or resolution and you quickly find that neither CPU is the problem: you need a stronger GPU. So yeah this whole debate seems pointless to me...

Both the 1700 and 7700 perform very well in gaming.

Xenofell said:
I happen to agree that Ryzen is the better chip (and the way forward), but the premise of this video seems wrong to me. It's simple maths.

2500 100fps -> 100%
FX 90fps -> 90%

10 percent gap. And then you add a new chip which exceeds performance of the original top performer, and becomes 100%.

new 120fps -> 100%
2500 100fps -> 83%
FX 90fps -> 75%

Even though nothing about the original has changed ... eight percent gap. Even though nothing about the original results has changed. All that has changed is the baseline result (the '100%') has slid over a little, widening the data set, thereby squishing the 'percentage of base result' readings.

Am I missing something, or is everybody just overlooking this?
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You are missing that in the end (see graph at 11:03) the FX ends up 10% FASTER than then 2500K. The effect you describe (spread out the top and the differences become smaller as a percentage) cannot produce that. Even you had a new entry with crazy FPS, the 2500K should still be ahead:

new 1 gazzilion fps -> 100%
2500 100 fps -> 0.000000000001%
FX 90 fps -> 0.000000000000095%

He is indeed proving the point that more cores allow the FX to leap over the 2500 over time, because they started getting utilised...
 
KrisWragg said:
Excellent! :D

Hopefully the Taichi with a 1700X should get me an easy 4Ghz, just hoping that using 2x16Gb doesn't limit my RAM speeds too much, I think that'll be the bit that needs most tinkering or waiting for BIOS updates.
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Minus1337 said:
I believe you can do it Kris! I've heard good things about the Tomahawk board if anyone is in a rush. My streamer friend hit a decent OC with that and hasn't had much issues with it she says.

*edit* Also the lads at OcUK are going to get a laugh with my CH6 RMA because I only had Christmas wrapping paper to send it back with, haha.
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First dead CH6 on OCUK ??
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
That is because Final Cut Pro is most likely using GPU acceleration more effectively,and if Adobe used GPUs more effectively there would no use for even a Core i7 6950X!! :p
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Well with the way Premiere Pro is made that 6950X isn't really needed anyway! :P

FCPX also uses all the resources you can chuck at it! My 2013 Mac Pro was a damn powerhouse.
If Apple didn't abandon the pro market I'd still be on one of those; or you know allow people to upgrade the GPUs at least.

Since then they've focussed squarely on their consumer line that uses mobile parts; so they could get QuickSync in there all the time as well, to further help.

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FCPX gobbled up all the CPU and GPU performance.
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Microsoft are working on the Windows 10 Scheduler bug, confirmed.

https://twitter.com/MicrosoftHelps/status/839581647351738375

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eyetrip said:
Or just a "Asus AM4 board not worthy" thread... mine isnt dead, but can't even pass realbench at stock.
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I think i'm having the same problems with my Asus Prime B350M-A board, using memory thats good in another machine, all standard settings and latest bios, it will crash out at stock speeds randomly... Looking to RMA the board as soon as I get my hands on MSI Mortar board.
 
I want to do a clean format with this new build, not sure which OS to put on..

Until Windows 10 gets updates to better support Ryzen is it worth going back to Windows 7?

Context here >> http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-performance-negatively-affected-windows-10-scheduler-bug/

Unfortunately the scheduler currently is not able to differentiate principal core threads from virtual SMT threads with Ryzen and in fact sees 16 thread Ryzen 7 processors as processors with 16 physical cores with equal resources per thread.

Because it does not give any preferential prioritization of scheduling tasks to primary threads over SMT threads like it does on Intel platforms, a massively larger percentage of tasks can and do end up getting scheduled for a virtual SMT thread rather than a principal core thread. Resulting in significant artificial performance degradation.
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