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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Davedree said:
As i was first to report on this AMD need to address the issue of ensuring hdmi 2 ports are used on boards, specifically itx boards. I'm seeing hdmi 1 on boards so far and this is unacceptable when future apu's are going to be used.
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Lol, firstly it's the board manufacturers who decide what ports to put on the back not AMD.

Secondly people who want 4K @ 60Hz for none gaming are a very niche market and so it's understandable why they're not being catered for. Anyone who wants 4K @ 60Hz for gaming use will be getting a dedicated GPU instead of an APU anyway to push the frames.

I am not saying it's not something we shouldn't aim for in future (well, we should probably aim for Displayport on everything and let HDMI die naturally TBH), but I doubt any AM4 APU is going to be getting getting screen tear when limited to 4K @ 24Hz...
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
AMD have stated a week after Ryzen's launch that they've seeding a thousands development kits; along with partnering with Bethesda. I hope that means that Prey will launch with great Ryzen and Vega support.
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That did all sound a bit strange for a CPU launch to me. Or rather it has me speculating whether Scorpio will have Ryzen rather than Jaguar/Puma/or similar.
 
opethdisciple said:
I understand that Ryzen takes dual channel ram. But what does dual and quad channel mean anyway?

Does it mean you can only ever have two sticks at any one time?
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no. You can use 4 stick but they will all share the same dual channel bandwidth, as all mainstream Cpus have done since the introduction of it 10+ years now.

only servers and the intel enthusiast line using quad channel ram, but ain't to no benefit for gaming or anything else but some benching etc.

on my 6800k I use the two modules of 3600C16 I have and is ok.

Saying that, given how the performance of the Ryzen cups is affected by the speed and bandwidth of the Ram, I wouldn't be surprised if the X399 Enthusiast Rysen lineup would greatly have better performance by using fast quad channel Ram.
 
KompuKare said:
That did all sound a bit strange for a CPU launch to me. Or rather it has me speculating whether Scorpio will have Ryzen rather than Jaguar/Puma/or similar.
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That's an interesting point. Scorpio might be a proper "next-gen" console compared to the PS4 Pro.

So it might very well have Ryzen in it. The SoC in the XBOX and PS4 is rather similar to Ryzen's CCX design already. Where it has two core complexes, and the GPU on the same die, separated by Cache.

If true, it means future console ports and Ryzen systems would share a lot more than just simply being x86.

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https://www.techpowerup.com/231911/amd-16-core-ryzen-a-multi-chip-module-of-two-summit-ridge-dies

With core performance back to competitiveness, AMD is preparing to take on Intel in the HEDT "high-end desktop" segment with a new line of processors that are larger than its current socket AM4 "Summit Ridge," desktop processors, but smaller in core-count than its 32-core "Naples" enterprise processors. These could include 12-core and 16-core parts, and the picture is getting clearer with an exclusive report by Turkish tech publication DonanimHaber. The biggest revelation here that the 12-core and 16-core Ryzen processors will be multi-chip modules (MCMs) of two "Summit Ridge" dies. The 12-core variant will be carved out by disabling 1 core per CCX (3+3+3+3).

Another revelation is that the 12-core and 16-core Ryzen processors will be built in a new LGA package with pin-counts in excess of 4,000 pins. Since it's an MCM of two "Summit Ridge" dies, the memory bus width and PCIe lanes will be doubled. The chip will feature a quad-channel DDR4 memory interface, and will have a total of 58 PCI-Express gen 3.0 lanes (only one of the two dies will put out the PCI-Express 3.0 x4 A-Link chipset bus). The increase in core count isn't coming with a decrease in clock speeds. The 12-core variant will hence likely have its TDP rated at 140W, and the 16-core variant at 180W. AMD is expected to unveil these chips at the 2017 Computex expo in Taipei, this June, with product launches following shortly after.
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I checked the source to watch youtube, it appeared both 12 and 16 core Ryzen used 2 Summit Ridge dies but the CPU will not fit in socket AM4 because it have over 4000 pins so it will use a new HEDT motherboard with socket LGA SP3 and new X399 chipset. it will be a huge HEDT CPU.
 
teppic said:
Now the dust has settled a little bit, are there any major reasons to get the CH6 or Taichi over each other?
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+1.

I prefer the look of the Taichi but I've never had an ASRock board before, always used Gigabyte/Asus.

Tempted to wait for one of the 8 Pack bundles before I commit to anything though I think, I want something that'll work off the bat without having to mess around with all these bloody BIOS updates!
 
teppic said:
Now the dust has settled a little bit, are there any major reasons to get the CH6 or Taichi over each other?
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Both appear to be good motherboards, it all depends on the user base as to whether they are supported by the manufacturer going forward. I have not done a lot of work with my CH6 as yet but it seems to be a good board.

I have a bias towards the Crosshair.
a) because I bought it and it was available.
b) because I have had a Crosshair before and liked the bios.
c) colour or lack of it.
 
teppic said:
Now the dust has settled a little bit, are there any major reasons to get the CH6 or Taichi over each other?
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I agree both are decent motherboards. I went with the Taichi for the following reasons - 2 m.2 slots vs 1, 10 SATA ports vs 8, Onboard Wi-fi, higher capacity power delivery, asthetics. The CH6 has more built in USB 3 ports. I've also been pleased with the memory support, I tried Corsair 3000 and G.skill 3866 rated memory and both were 'plug and play' at 2933 / 3200mhz with just setting the XMP option.
 
ubersonic said:
Lol, firstly it's the board manufacturers who decide what ports to put on the back not AMD.

Secondly people who want 4K @ 60Hz for none gaming are a very niche market and so it's understandable why they're not being catered for. Anyone who wants 4K @ 60Hz for gaming use will be getting a dedicated GPU instead of an APU anyway to push the frames.

I am not saying it's not something we shouldn't aim for in future (well, we should probably aim for Displayport on everything and let HDMI die naturally TBH), but I doubt any AM4 APU is going to be getting getting screen tear when limited to 4K @ 24Hz...
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Well no it's just as much Amd's responsibility to ensure that with their promotion of 'Am4 Longlife' that the board manufacturers are providing future proofed ports.
I understand from a gaming perspective that most will only need a discreet card and couldn't care less about the Igp or even HDMI ports.
But there is also the other side of things where Hdmi2 and Htpc-casual gaming in the front room using an Av Amp for true high bit rate audio codecs comes into play.
Where the Apu the minimum hdmi spec should be HDMI 2.0a/HDCP 2.2. You need this not just for 4k 60hz bandwidth 4:4:4/2, HDR etc but for copyright protection and to allow Netflix 4k to decode.
Although currently Netflix 4k is locked to windows 10 + edge + kaby lake only, discreet gpu's with h.265 Decoders are blacklisted at the moment.

But either way I guess it comes down to user preference but it's def something that needs to be looked at as time goes on.
 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/61zo0c/turkish_donanimhaber_declared_the_name_of_1224/

Here is the new information;

  • Zen HEDT CPU's are called Threadripper!
  • Each CPU will include 64 PCI-E Lanes!
  • It includes 4 CCX's.
  • Lower SKU(Probably 12/24) 140W TDP, Higher SKU (Probably 16/32) 180W TDP.
  • Socket will be an SP3 LGA
  • Platform's name will probably be X399
  • Chips will be B2 revisions.
  • 32MB L3 Cache
  • ES's are 3,3 or 3,4 Ghz base and 3,7 Ghz Boost
  • It is aimed for Retail SKU to have 3,6 Base/4 Ghz Boost
  • ES's that are in the wild have 2500 CB R15.
  • Infinity Fabric can have a bandwidth up to 100GB/S
  • Announcement; COMPUTEX at Taiwan, sales will start after 2-3 weeks following COMPUTEX.
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Apply salt liberally...
 
So is it true the faster ram = much better gaming performance?

Based on the RAM speed video floating around? If its the case, I am going overboard on the speed for when they are compatible.
 
Crockett said:
Crazy performance if it is true and wonder what cost they would release that at.
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I doubt much more than two 1700X + some margin. So we are looking around £800-1000.
Making the 6950X completely irrelevant. Let alone the 6900K and any Skylake-X discussion......

However you will have some who will complain that is slower on 720p gaming than the 7700K @ 5Ghz......
 
Panos said:
I doubt much more than two 1700X + some margin. So we are looking around £800-1000.
Making the 6950X completely irrelevant. Let alone the 6900K and any Skylake-X discussion......

However you will have some who will complain that is slower on 720p gaming than the 7700K @ 5Ghz......
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True, but as a software developer I would love a 16 core beast for compiling! Who cares about anything less than 1080p anyway!
 
KrisWragg said:
True, but as a software developer I would love a 16 core beast for compiling! Who cares about anything less than 1080p anyway!
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Tell me about it. I want one for Unity engine rendering while I am trying to make my own game. Hence I was waiting for mobo availability for the 8core one (since I had to replace the 1700X), but now I will be keeping an eye on the 16c/32t one
 
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