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Panos · 5 May 2017 at 12:56

Thekwango said:
any dates yet for the supposed update that will help with some of the ram issues for zen? itching to jump on board - got a bench full of shiny new watercooling gear just begging for something to cool!

Some boards are on AEGSA 1.0.0.4 and 1.0.0.6 is already out so expect a week or so.

Personally waiting a confirmation of someone who experienced a weird behaviour with his MSI Titanium and the infinity fabric.

By using two sided dual channel 2x16gb ram @3000 C13 his perf (fps in games and benchmarks) was 15% higher than single sided 2x8gb @ 3200 C13 perf.
Which was 10% higher than the same Ram working as 2400C12

opethdisciple · 5 May 2017 at 13:05

Panos said:
Some boards are on AEGSA 1.0.0.4 and 1.0.0.6 is already out so expect a week or so.

Personally waiting a confirmation of someone who experienced a weird behaviour with his MSI Titanium and the infinity fabric.

By using two sided dual channel 2x16gb ram @3000 C13 his perf (fps in games and benchmarks) was 15% higher than single sided 2x8gb @ 3200 C13 perf.
Which was 10% higher than the same Ram working as 2400C12

1.0.0.6? You sure? AMD haven't announced 1.0.0.5 yet!

Thekwango · 5 May 2017 at 13:06

Panos said:
Some boards are on AEGSA 1.0.0.4 and 1.0.0.6 is already out so expect a week or so.

Personally waiting a confirmation of someone who experienced a weird behaviour with his MSI Titanium and the infinity fabric.

By using two sided dual channel 2x16gb ram @3000 C13 his perf (fps in games and benchmarks) was 15% higher than single sided 2x8gb @ 3200 C13 perf.
Which was 10% higher than the same Ram working as 2400C12

ohhh a week, sounds good.

haszek · 5 May 2017 at 14:03

opethdisciple said:
1.0.0.6? You sure? AMD haven't announced 1.0.0.5 yet!

It's from gigabyte's guys who say next bioses will be based on 1.0.0.6. Probably 1.0.0.5 was just beta version for testing (the one that elmor used and said it looks really good.)

opethdisciple · 5 May 2017 at 14:03

Snip.

Already answered above.

Martini1991 · 5 May 2017 at 16:02

Just had a few hours of Steam Streaming Witcher 2 to my steam link, it never once had a problem.

That's using Software rendering.

Colour me impressed with that.

docsonic · 5 May 2017 at 16:13

One R5 1600 sitting on my desk! Now I just need to decide on a mobo.. & ram

I can push the boat out for a mid-range X370 but I just can't decide if I should, or if I should just get a B350!

Thekwango · 5 May 2017 at 16:26

docsonic said:
One R5 1600 sitting on my desk! Now I just need to decide on a mobo.. & ram I can push the boat out for a mid-range X370 but I just can't decide if I should, or if I should just get a B350!

in much the same boat - definitely going with the R5 1600 and likely the team group ram used in the 8pack bundles, but i'll be stuffed if I can figure out which motherboard to go with. not prepared to drop 240ish on CH6 as I don't know what benefits i'll see over say a 140 board.

gavinh87 · 5 May 2017 at 16:43

Thekwango said:
in much the same boat - definitely going with the R5 1600 and likely the team group ram used in the 8pack bundles, but i'll be stuffed if I can figure out which motherboard to go with. not prepared to drop 240ish on CH6 as I don't know what benefits i'll see over say a 140 board.

The main benefit over the others for me was the support and update speed. It is the best board at the minute and has received more attention than any other. Once the other manufacturers have caught up then the only difference worth noting will be the blck adjustment. Overclock capabilities seem the same. If zen2 comes and requires better VRM's for overclocks then the investment would have been worth it. Thing is we don't really know :/

haszek · 5 May 2017 at 17:07

Overclock for cpu maybe yes, but for memory probably not

Thekwango · 5 May 2017 at 17:59

gavinh87 said:
The main benefit over the others for me was the support and update speed. It is the best board at the minute and has received more attention than any other. Once the other manufacturers have caught up then the only difference worth noting will be the blck adjustment. Overclock capabilities seem the same. If zen2 comes and requires better VRM's for overclocks then the investment would have been worth it. Thing is we don't really know :/

Hmmm. So, if I'm reading that correctly, the CH6 is really only beneficial to early adopters then?

gavinh87 · 5 May 2017 at 18:03

Thekwango said:
Hmmm. So, if I'm reading that correctly, the CH6 is really only beneficial to early adopters then?

At present I'd say that's correct. The crosshair by far has the better memory support but all boards will catch up. Then the other features are bclk adjustment and better and cooler running vrms. This may make a difference with future CPUs but we do not know yet.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 5 May 2017 at 18:15

docsonic said:
One R5 1600 sitting on my desk! Now I just need to decide on a mobo.. & ram I can push the boat out for a mid-range X370 but I just can't decide if I should, or if I should just get a B350!

Even though AMD said all B350 motherboards should be fine with the R5 series,I have seen reports that some motherboards need a BIOS update to work with them!! From what I gather the MSI B350 Tomahawk(not the white one) supports Ryzen 5 with the initial BIOS revision.

humbug · 5 May 2017 at 18:17

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Even though AMD said all B350 motherboards should be fine with the R5 series,I have seen reports that some motherboards need a BIOS update to work with them!! From what I gather the MSI B350 Tomahawk(not the white one) supports Ryzen 5 with the initial BIOS revision.

How can support for Ryzen 7 and 5 differ? they are the same chip.

Thekwango · 5 May 2017 at 18:28

gavinh87 said:
At present I'd say that's correct. The crosshair by far has the better memory support but all boards will catch up. Then the other features are bclk adjustment and better and cooler running vrms. This may make a difference with future CPUs but we do not know yet.

Coolio. Probably not for me then. I'd imagine if I decided to replace my cpu it wouldn't for at least a couple of years and by that stage I'm guessing advancements in motherboard technology would mean I'd want a shiny new board anyway.
So still stuck deciding which board to go for for! guess I'll have to hang fire a bit longer to see what the next round of bios updates bring and see how quickly the board vendors are to implement them on the mid range x370 boards.

gavinh87 · 5 May 2017 at 18:33

Thekwango said:
Coolio. Probably not for me then. I'd imagine if I decided to replace my cpu it wouldn't for at least a couple of years and by that stage I'm guessing advancements in motherboard technology would mean I'd want a shiny new board anyway.
So still stuck deciding which board to go for for! guess I'll have to hang fire a bit longer to see what the next round of bios updates bring and see how quickly the board vendors are to implement them on the mid range x370 boards.

The best 350 board seems to be the MSI tomahawk the best x370 is the crosshair. I'd suggest looking over each manufacturers support forums and see what the biggest complaints are. But like I said all will come good with updates. Honestly I'd recommend that people spend more time researching the memory rather than the board. Samsung b die is the best option for any board.

Thekwango · 5 May 2017 at 19:11

gavinh87 said:
The best 350 board seems to be the MSI tomahawk the best x370 is the crosshair. I'd suggest looking over each manufacturers support forums and see what the biggest complaints are. But like I said all will come good with updates. Honestly I'd recommend that people spend more time researching the memory rather than the board. Samsung b die is the best option for any board.

yea was seeing that about the Samsung b die mems - is there any easy way to work out who is using the Samsung b die and who isn't?

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 5 May 2017 at 19:42

humbug said:
How can support for Ryzen 7 and 5 differ? they are the same chip.

I thought so too,until I started doing some research for a mate's gaming build based around an R5 1600/R5 1600X.

People have plonked in the Ryzen 5 chips in some B350 motherboards and it wouldn't boot(but Ryzen 7 would) - then you look at some of the BIOS revisions and they only show official support using later BIOSes. At this point I really don't understand why it should be an issue - so in the end I found the MSI B350 Tomahawk should be fine(in theory) and suggested that.

Edit!!

I will report back when he does the build.

Martini1991 · 5 May 2017 at 19:43

Just spent the last hour trying to fix Prototype 2 (As I've never played it, and I'm trying to get into the habit of playing through my backlog via streaming to my 55"). I had to disable SMT. I only found the fix because someone suggested elsewhere about disabling HT.

All it would do is crash at the first video.
Afterwards it's loaded up fine.

gavinh87 · 5 May 2017 at 20:30

Thekwango said:
yea was seeing that about the Samsung b die mems - is there any easy way to work out who is using the Samsung b die and who isn't?

I've found that gskill 3200 CL14 is pretty much a given. 3200 CL16 is hynix and all speeds above are Samsung. There is a thread on Reddit I'll dig it out and give you the link.

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