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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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What, asking for evidence?
think they can in early 2000 so 2002 jan i think which believe or not is close to 15 years
i dont want to argue with you we all have ideas opinions each will differ.i would prefer amd to be infront i prefer them as a company.
owned amd cpus since 2000.
just cant see anything other than the usual position they sit.which is behind intel. doesnt mean they wont offer a decent performance.
Yeah I had an AMD Barton series processor running 3 GHz around 2002/3 I believe. It was the first PC I had built. Well it was primarily my mate as I knew nothing then. It was a great upgrade from the Pentium 2 running 333mhz i had running for 6 years or so. Lol. I remember my dad buying that as our first household PC in 1997. I think I kept the AMD going for around 5 or 6 years also before going back to Intel on advice from the same friend and got a 9650 core 2 quad. I do hope AMD go back to those glory days when I first bought an AMD chip with the new Zen stuff. Intel need some competition to make them move things along. Saying that if things don't move on much then I won't need to upgrade my 4770k for a very long time.
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Zen will live or die on it performance.
Now personally I am not expecting it to get too close to Intel's fastest chips, but as long as it is at least up there with Ivy bridge and they price it sensibly it will work for them. What I mean by that is, if AMD go up against a 10core Broadwell-E part at $1700 with a 10core Ivy bridge like performance part, it would be no good asking $1700 for it. And like wise throughout the range, a 6700k at $339 would need a sensibly priced competitor.
As for when they release it, we know they were originally aiming for 2016, and it looks like the chipsets for them will be shown at CES in January, so as long as the CPU's follow fairly soon after (meaning a couple of months, to make them 1st quarter) and not slip further into Q2 or even the second half of the year it wont be too bad at all.
Now personally I am not expecting it to get too close to Intel's fastest chips, but as long as it is at least up there with Ivy bridge and they price it sensibly it will work for them. What I mean by that is, if AMD go up against a 10core Broadwell-E part at $1700 with a 10core Ivy bridge like performance part, it would be no good asking $1700 for it. And like wise throughout the range, a 6700k at $339 would need a sensibly priced competitor.
As for when they release it, we know they were originally aiming for 2016, and it looks like the chipsets for them will be shown at CES in January, so as long as the CPU's follow fairly soon after (meaning a couple of months, to make them 1st quarter) and not slip further into Q2 or even the second half of the year it wont be too bad at all.
AMD haven't been ahead for 10 Years, 2 Months, 16 Days.
AMD have never been ahead of Intel even when Intel sold slower chips they still outsold AMD by maybe a factor of a hundred.
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They had close to 50% market share with the Athlon 64 x2 chips, I'm sure.
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I agree with all of the above. In addition I hope that the philosophy of current FX CPU's is carried forward ie all buses configurable.
A 10-20% lower price would be nice if achievable. 8c/16t would be great but 6c/12t would be acceptable if the IPC is good.
That's a good point, one advantage AMD has amongst the enthusiast crowd is the ability to overclock all of their chips, not just the most expensive one. If AMD continue this practice, they'd probably be very competitive in the mid-range (i.e. Core i5).
However, overclocking is becoming less and less useful now that both Intel and AMD have been forced to continually increase stock clocks over the past few years due to a relative lack of IPC increase.
If AMD can offer overclockable 6c/12t at the same price as the i7 6700k, and within ~10% IPC, then they'll nail it.
Equally if they can push down 4c/8t to £200, they'll nail it.
I don't know if there's been any talk of whether they can turn off hyperthreading like Intel can.
Equally if they can push down 4c/8t to £200, they'll nail it.
I don't know if there's been any talk of whether they can turn off hyperthreading like Intel can.
I would imagine they can but whether they actually will or not is complete unknown.
Hopefully they'll leave hyperthreading and unlocked on all desktop zen CPUs, that would be terrific.
AMD made big inroads with the A64 and spanked Intel senseless in a many ways, but they never got much more than single digit percentages. Intel done everything they could to stitch up the market and worked hard to hold AMD down.
AMD are tiny by comparison to Intel. So much so that AMD could never supply more than small percentage of the market. Intel on the other hand could, even if what they offered was complete rubbish.
The CPU market is about a lot more than who offers the best hardware at the best price. Intel could withdraw from the enthusiast market and not bat an eyelid.
Soldato
What do you mean single digit percentages and could never supply more than a small percentage of the market? They had around 50% of the market at one point.
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If zen is 15-20% lower in performance then Intels new cpu and significantly cheaper then I think they have done well under the circumstances. Guess we just have to wait and see. Hopefully they are very good overclockers as well.
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When are these being released?
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Early 2017 apparently at the CES event
Desktop Summit Ridge Zen are paper launching at CES 2017 with availability later in Q1 iirc.