Even AdoredTV mentioned it in one of his recent vids, they could have more aggressive with pricing and really spanked Intel but no. Now sales are going back to Intel according to the latest figures, Zen is shifting in tiny margins.
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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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Its the same on AT forums,some people are terrified of Raven Ridge,and if you don't believe me you should see the thread. Interestingly enough it was the same people who said don't get an Intel APU since CPU performance sucks,and now even if CPU performance is fine,now the GPU sucks.
Someone listed some of the ridiculous arguments these lot were doing against Raven Ridge,and it was verging on the surreal:
Heck,we certainly had our arguments about Zen,and certain games I have mentioned it does not do well in,and its an outlying one too. But I am running a GTX1080 FFS,not some lowish end card.
Yup, for about the first month in months, Intel sales are higher.
As:
1) they finally have production ramp of their paper launched new CPU
2) the usual horde of "ooohh, I should buy the latest K chip and not overclock it" crowd will finally be snapping them up
3) as AMD have finally pushed all it's stock out cheap ready for their refresh
I think it quite reasonable that Intel sales are higher. Intel's entire strategy this year had been to desperately get a CPU out that might just beat AMD's sales before their market evaporates until they get a new architecture made...
The paper launch of coffee lake was clearly to try and take the edge off AMD sales.
Coffee lake will be behind again in a month or 2.
(basically - yes, Intel sales at the moment are completely expected and reasonable, enjoy it while it lasts
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As:
1) they finally have production ramp of their paper launched new CPU
2) the usual horde of "ooohh, I should buy the latest K chip and not overclock it" crowd will finally be snapping them up
3) as AMD have finally pushed all it's stock out cheap ready for their refresh
I think it quite reasonable that Intel sales are higher. Intel's entire strategy this year had been to desperately get a CPU out that might just beat AMD's sales before their market evaporates until they get a new architecture made...
The paper launch of coffee lake was clearly to try and take the edge off AMD sales.
Coffee lake will be behind again in a month or 2.
(basically - yes, Intel sales at the moment are completely expected and reasonable, enjoy it while it lasts
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Sales,are similar,look at the physical numbers of CPUs sold(figures are revenue not sales). The Core i7 8700K has sold the most of all Intel SKUs,and Ryzen is outselling every other CFL SKU,as people have broke down the number of units sold looking at the revenue and RRPs.
Considerng the Core i7 8700K,was hard to get for ages especially at a reasonable price,methinks its all the people who could not get one at launch buying one,but Ryzen+ is out in April as Ryzen is old hat,and nearly a year old.
Also,now AMD has APUs out, how many people might have considered a more basic build but had to factor in a dGPU for a Ryzen so might have bought Intel.
AMD being competitive again is bad news for a small but very loud number of people who are invested in Intel's total dominance of the market.
Intel recently cut back their "Intel Inside" program by 60%, Intel did this because AMD are competitive again, to keep it going with competition they have to start depending on handing out kick backs for not using AMD, which is not only something Intel has bad experience with but is also a very bad business model, paying customers to use your products does in the long run do more harm than good.
That's a lot of people now not getting help from Intel and its AMD who killed that cozy little relationship for them.
Though! if you're that reliant on it you're business model is completely flawed, Intel realized that and did something about it. Its about time all others wised up and took advantage of a competitive AMD instead of moaning about it.
Large OEM's like Dell, HP.... have already, they ain't stupid.
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Also,since we are enthusiasts lets price up an Intel Core i3 8100 and GT1030 build:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1151-processor-retail-cp-63q-in.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...cket-1151-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-566-gi.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pali...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-043-pl.html
£264.
Now,the Ryzen 3 2200G is $99(so roughly £86),so lets get a decentish B350 board and a RX460:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ocket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-331-ms.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/kfa2...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-09a-kf.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/his-...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-10d-hs.html
£266,and I have not even specified the cheapest B350 motherboard either.
AMD AM4 boards start at £44:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/motherboards/amd/am4-x370-b350-ryzen?sPage=1&sSort=3
This is even before,we see the updated 400 series boards in April,which will have updated specs.
Now take away the GPU,and the Core i3 8100,is going to be utterly owned in any kind of gaming.
An A12 9800 owns a Core i5 8400 in almost every game. Bristol Ridge has a very poor memory controller too.
So,the Ryzen 3 2200G has a significantly faster CPU than an A12 9800,a faster GPU,better memory controller and a better cooler.
I can even understand someone getting a Core i5 8400 over a Ryzen 5 1600,but seriously especially if you are running on the IGP or a lowish end card,why the heck would I want to spend more on the Core i3 8100 in 95% of most cases??
You are going to be far more GPU limited,so its best to get a faster card anyway.
Where are these cheaper Intel motherboards??
Its the second week of February,and they were meant to be here by January.
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Also a single CCX,so unless the reduced L3 cache has an effect,CPU performance should ideally be less dependent on very fast RAM.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1151-processor-retail-cp-63q-in.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...cket-1151-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-566-gi.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pali...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-043-pl.html
£264.
Now,the Ryzen 3 2200G is $99(so roughly £86),so lets get a decentish B350 board and a RX460:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ocket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-331-ms.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/kfa2...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-09a-kf.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/his-...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-10d-hs.html
£266,and I have not even specified the cheapest B350 motherboard either.
AMD AM4 boards start at £44:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/motherboards/amd/am4-x370-b350-ryzen?sPage=1&sSort=3
This is even before,we see the updated 400 series boards in April,which will have updated specs.
Now take away the GPU,and the Core i3 8100,is going to be utterly owned in any kind of gaming.
An A12 9800 owns a Core i5 8400 in almost every game. Bristol Ridge has a very poor memory controller too.
So,the Ryzen 3 2200G has a significantly faster CPU than an A12 9800,a faster GPU,better memory controller and a better cooler.
I can even understand someone getting a Core i5 8400 over a Ryzen 5 1600,but seriously especially if you are running on the IGP or a lowish end card,why the heck would I want to spend more on the Core i3 8100 in 95% of most cases??
You are going to be far more GPU limited,so its best to get a faster card anyway.
Where are these cheaper Intel motherboards??
Its the second week of February,and they were meant to be here by January.
Edit!!
Also a single CCX,so unless the reduced L3 cache has an effect,CPU performance should ideally be less dependent on very fast RAM.
As an enthusiast i'll add to that...
I got a lovely board, ASRock AB350 Pro4 it cost me £75 from a reputable mainstream retailer, superb thing, run's my Ryzen 1600 at 3.9Ghz and my LPX 3000Mhz Ram at 3000Mhz, absolutely solid, no issues what-so-ever, its even quite a good looking board, no RGB but to some people that's a good thing, it does have 2 RGB headers if that is what you want, it even has two M.2 slots for some NVMe Raid..... its got everything, even USB type C.
£75 retail price, You can't get a board like that for that money on the Intel side, you just can't, add to that the nearest competitor to the Ryzen 1600 is the 8400, that is not an overclockable CPU and it only has 6 threads so in multithreading the Ryzen 1600 is much much faster which is also £30 less.
Brilliant. a no-brainer.
Oh, and if i do get the upgrade itch again, like when Ryzen 2 arrives in April, a Ryzen 2600? i could just swap out the CPU on this existing motherboard, you can't do that on Intel.
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The thing is I think it is pretty amazing that we know have come from a £150+ Core i5 7400 in February 2017,to a sub £90 4C/4T CPU with a 512 shader GPU in such short time,which can also be overclocked.
I hope 7NM does deliver the promises GF have made,and I hope AMD gets it to market in a timely fashion.
I mean,I remember in 2015 doing a Haswell 4C/8T build with a £170 to £180 Xeon E3 1230 V3 and £80 Gigabyte Z97N ITX motherboard,so the total was like £250 to £260. Intel as usual thought they were being "too generous" and decided to lock out Xeon E3 CPUs running in normal motherboards just like their "overclocking fix" on cheaper motherboards.
I looked at a Core i5 8400(you probably realise it is for that game),and the equivalent Gigabyte Z370N ITX motherboard is £140!! LOLWTFBBQ. So a B360 board is going to be over £100 still. Also being a B360 board try running faster RAM - oh wait,you can't.
My mate with a Core i7 6700,has 3000MHZ RAM,and got a B150 board for it,and the RAM can't be run at 3000MHZ,since they only allow RAM to run at 2133MHZ. Hilarious.
Intel will probably lock faster RAM to the Z series motherboards unlike AMD.
A 75% price increase since 2015. What a joke!! So drop the price of the CPU,but increase the motherboard prices. Also it would be nice if Intel tells us how long Z370 will last. They seem to be very quiet on that front. For such a large company who makes their own CPUs surely they must know??
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Ryzen was released long before Coffee Lake, remember. The R5 1600 was the sweet spot to begin with and now with Coffee Lake around and the price cuts compressing the tiers, most of the CPUs below it are nearly irrelevant. The R5 2500G is priced below the R5 1500 though, so it fits much better.
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I do so hate Unboxing Videos... BUT at least we know that the reviewers have had getting on for a week to properly test these so when the NDA lifts for reviews there should be at least some consensus on what we can expect.
If you get a 2400g you are getting an overclockable 4 core 8 thread CPU with a really decent IGP. If I want to add a graphics card in 6 months or whenever they are not stupidly priced any more then you can, and still have a decent system. Get an i3 and 1030 we are looking at a locked 4c4t system and a very entry level graphics card that you have to get rid of if you are moving forward.
If you get a 2400g you are getting an overclockable 4 core 8 thread CPU with a really decent IGP. If I want to add a graphics card in 6 months or whenever they are not stupidly priced any more then you can, and still have a decent system. Get an i3 and 1030 we are looking at a locked 4c4t system and a very entry level graphics card that you have to get rid of if you are moving forward.
I'm getting the Ryzen 5 2400G & use my Asus B350-F Strix Motherboard, I flashed to the latest bios for the new CPU/APU Using my Main R7 1700, Will make a Retro Gaming Build for DOSBOX & Computer Emulators,
Be nice without a dedicated graphics card needed
They will sell like hot-cakes.
Wonder whats going to happen to all the motherboards that not updated on sale of the B350/x370 that not got the bios for them, will a first-time buyer be able to buy a motherboard & say 2400g & it work
just enough for them to dl & flash,
or will first-time buyers have to wait for the Motherboard manufacturer to update the boards,
Or are the X400 Range going to be rel on 13th Feb that will already be updated for them?
Be nice without a dedicated graphics card needed
They will sell like hot-cakes.
Wonder whats going to happen to all the motherboards that not updated on sale of the B350/x370 that not got the bios for them, will a first-time buyer be able to buy a motherboard & say 2400g & it work
just enough for them to dl & flash,
or will first-time buyers have to wait for the Motherboard manufacturer to update the boards,
Or are the X400 Range going to be rel on 13th Feb that will already be updated for them?
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400 series boards will work out the box, 300 series is likely to be luck of the draw as to what bios they ship withI'm getting the Ryzen 5 2400G & use my Asus B350-F Strix Motherboard, I flashed to the latest bios for the new CPU/APU Using my Main R7 1700, Will make a Retro Gaming Build for DOSBOX & Computer Emulators,
Be nice without a dedicated graphics card needed
They will sell like hot-cakes.
Wonder whats going to happen to all the motherboards that not updated on sale of the B350/x370 that not got the bios for them, will a first-time buyer be able to buy a motherboard & say 2400g & it work
just enough for them to dl & flash,
or will first-time buyers have to wait for the Motherboard manufacturer to update the boards,
Or are the X400 Range going to be rel on 13th Feb that will already be updated for them?
You mean like the people likely to be building a 2400g?
Hopefully vendors will offer a bios flash - as I assume there is going to be no way to even get a 2*** to boot without it.
Only at the beginning. After a month or so the older motherboards will have sold out most likely.
Maybe, I don't know if this is possible.
Not necessarily without the correct BIOS version, which older stock will not have.
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I am going to sell my R7 1700 and GTX 1070 now while prices are good. Pick up a R5 2400G and wait until, better products, better pricing and a game that might actually require a decent GPU to run.
Barely use PC for gaming these days. Nintendo Switch and Xbox One X take care of that atm.
Barely use PC for gaming these days. Nintendo Switch and Xbox One X take care of that atm.
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Seems the New APUs will boot on the b350s/x370, So you can go into bios & flash to the latest to fully support them
Good news for first time buyers.
Where did you see that?? I think that was my main concern,ie,people buying an APU and it not booting on a 300 series motherboard.