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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Discussion in 'CPUs' started by Boomstick777, Apr 10, 2015.

  1. humbug

    Caporegime

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    Ryzen 1800X vs 7700K two years on.

    Now they are much more evenly matched, tho the 7700K does take the win overall, at least in terms of raw FPS. It is however starting to get in his words "tapped out" as its running at full load in a couple of games causing stutter.

     
  2. Praz94

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    What were the results 2 years ago then? I assume Intel was much further ahead because of the optimisation
     
  3. humbug

    Caporegime

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    Yeah, a few pages back i linked a video where he did the same but with 1600 vs 7600K, two years ago the 7600K was clearly ahead but showing signs that it was about to fall down, two years later the Ryzen 1600 is clearly ahead. with this the 7700K looks like its also about to fall over with it now showing signs of stress in games with the 1800X beginning to over take it in a couple of games.

    Edit: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...pu-discussion.18665505/page-969#post-32777225
     
  4. NinjaCool

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    Hardware Unboxed: "The 7700K was one of the greatest traps of 2017 unleased by Intel on its own customers, ouch!" :D
     
  5. opethdisciple

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    A 2700k should be fine as a gaming chip for years to come right? Pair it with a GTX 2080 plus GPU and should be good for 1440p.
     
  6. Kelt

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    Well, we all know what Intel thinks about its customers, what with highly criminal activities to stifle competition (AMD) and sandbagging due to that criminality, for a decade and more.
     
  7. Nutella33

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    Dont see why not. You'd have a reasonably upgrade path as well.
     
  8. Sargatanas2511

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    Do you mean a Ryzen 2700X or a Sandy Bridge 2700k? Your sig shows a 2700X so I assume that's what you mean.
     
  9. opethdisciple

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    Ryzen
     
  10. Sargatanas2511

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    You should definitely be fine for a while then. 1440p will be more graphics limited and the cpu shouldn't be too much issue.
     
  11. z10m

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    So I went ahead and purchased Ryzen 7 2700 with Gigabyte Aourus Elite B450 motherboard since those CPUs aro such a good value at the moment and the motherboard turned out to be a disaster when trying to overclock. The only things that can be adjusted is vcore offset (no vcore override available) and the offstet maxes out at +0.3v which was giving me max vcore voltage of less than 1.3. Ram overclocking is missing options as well. Ordered another board this time MSI Gaming Pro X470 and finally all the oc options are there. Currently got my chip running at 4.15Ghz and ram at 2933 cl14 (cheap corsair rated at 2400).
    At one point using gigabyte mobo i had the vcore voltage offset set to +0.3 and then was trying to overclock using ryzen master tool and ended up with vcore of 1.72v.!:eek: Didnt know that when setting voltage in ryzen master the mobo will still add the offset voltage to what is set in the software.
    Anyway Im happy now with how it is running and at 4.15Ghz temps are maxing out at 62C when stress testing which isnt bad considering my temporary mounting solution. :p

    [​IMG]
     
  12. HeX

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    [​IMG]

    Zen 2 is old hat now, let the Zen 3 hype and speculation begin! :D
     
  13. Rossi~

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    "Shipped July 2019"
    Yeah, about 12 did I suppose :p
     
  14. d_brennen

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    Wonder if we'll see another generation on AM4? I remember seeing something where an AMD engineer said it was getting progressively more difficult to extract more performance from the socket without breaking compatibility.

    I think AM5 or whatever it'll be called (AM10? :p) is justified next year. Anyone on a reasonable AM4 can upgrade to a 12 core 24 thread (soon 16 core 32 thread) CPU with decent performance all round at a reasonable cost all things considered. How mad is that in the context of quad core i7s from a couple years ago? We all owe AMD a beer
     
  15. 4K8KW10

    Soldato

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    You mean after Vermeer | Zen 3 @7+nm 2020? You mean the 2021 thing? You mean AMD to expand the AM4 support for another year?
    Maybe.
    Except that the SKU performance doesn't depend on the number of pins :D

    Short answer NOO!!

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  16. Hotwired

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    Went back to examine that again :eek:
     
  17. Rossi~

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    Expect Zen 3 on AM4 with Zen 4 having a different socket anyway due to DDR5.
     
  18. opethdisciple

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    Any one notice now that AMD is the one with the Tick Tock cadence.
     
  19. DragonQ

    Soldato

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    It's different though. Intel's was architecture, followed by process. AMD's is architecture AND process, followed by optimisation.
     
  20. Praz94

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    AM5, DDR5, Pcie 5 released together on the 5th of May at 5:55pm!

    Watch it happen
     
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