AMD's FSR3 possibly next month ?

MadMossy · 29 Sep 2023 at 20:02

From some reviews I've seen now, FSR3 FG actually out performs DLSS3 FG on a 4090, slight reduction in IQ but actual hard FPS is higher.

fs123 · 29 Sep 2023 at 20:13

MadMossy said:
From some reviews I've seen now, FSR3 FG actually out performs DLSS3 FG on a 4090, slight reduction in IQ but actual hard FPS is higher.

The reduction is quality is of course due to the upscaler still being FSR 2.2. I expect AMD to improve FSR2 quality now that they have achieved the FG goal.

fs123 · 29 Sep 2023 at 20:20

AMD Fluid Motion Frames in Starfield. Looks fine without any artifacts but not really possible to see the smoothness due to the 60fps video I guess.

Joxeon · 29 Sep 2023 at 20:20

fs123 said:
The reduction is quality is of course due to the upscaler still being FSR 2.2. I expect AMD to improve FSR2 quality now that they have achieved the FG goal.

I know in the witcher 3 you can use FSR upscaling in combo with Nvidia frame gen so it should theoretically be possible to use FMF with DLSS.

chris85oc · 29 Sep 2023 at 20:30

MadMossy said:
From some reviews I've seen now, FSR3 FG actually out performs DLSS3 FG on a 4090, slight reduction in IQ but actual hard FPS is higher.

Define slight. FSR quality is pretty much DLSS balanced. It’s not saying much.

I bet all the competent videos providing proper comparisons and pros/cons to the tech will be saying same thing come monday, good option for those who dont have access to DLSS + FG, inferior for those who do.

Same story was when FSR launched. Max hype omg bestest everest DLSS killer!1one then after testing proved to be inferior in every single way.

Sadly, people never learn.

no_1_dave · 29 Sep 2023 at 20:32

How does it fair with Raytracing enabled..?
As the FPS hit RT gives is one of the key reasons to use upscaling and framegen

MadMossy · 29 Sep 2023 at 20:35

no_1_dave said:
How does it fair with Raytracing enabled..?
As the FPS hit RT gives is one of the key reasons to use upscaling and framegen

I'm getting over 100fps in Cyberpunk at RT Psycho on my 7900xt, normally around 50-60 without frame gen.

MadMossy · 29 Sep 2023 at 20:37

chris85oc said:
Define slight. FSR quality is pretty much DLSS balanced. It’s not saying much.

I bet all the competent videos providing proper comparisons and pros/cons to the tech will be saying same thing come monday, good option for those who dont have access to DLSS + FG, inferior for those who do.

Same story was when FSR launched. Max hype omg bestest everest DLSS killer!1one then after testing proved to be inferior in every single way.

Sadly, people never learn.

Some aliasing artifacts and minor shimmering. Otherwise it looks similar.

no_1_dave · 29 Sep 2023 at 20:37

MadMossy said:
I'm getting over 100fps in Cyberpunk at RT Psycho on my 7900xt, normally around 50-60 without frame gen.

Nice!!

Fingers crossed it holds up IQ wise. If so it will allow AMD to be competitive with Nvidia again and then the price wars can start

Case1987 · 29 Sep 2023 at 20:37

MadMossy said:
I'm getting over 100fps in Cyberpunk at RT Psycho on my 7900xt, normally around 50-60 without frame gen.

It's not on Cyberpunk yet is it?

Firegod · 29 Sep 2023 at 20:44

This is really good news to read. Thanks for taking the time to share it people. Well done AMD too. Can I check, so FSR3 is upscaling and FMF is additional frame gen. I'm guessing they're not exclusive and one can work without the other?

Ayahuasca · 29 Sep 2023 at 20:45

chris85oc said:
Define slight. FSR quality is pretty much DLSS balanced. It’s not saying much.

I bet all the competent videos providing proper comparisons and pros/cons to the tech will be saying same thing come monday, good option for those who dont have access to DLSS + FG, inferior for those who do.

Same story was when FSR launched. Max hype omg bestest everest DLSS killer!1one then after testing proved to be inferior in every single way.

Sadly, people never learn.

AMD can’t afford for it to be inferior in every way if they intend to stay in this market.

wunkley · 29 Sep 2023 at 20:46

I've not tested the Forspoken demo yet, got distracted by cocktails and vintage top of the pops on bb4 (the only TV worth watching).

This Fluid Motion Frames thing then, sounds even more enticing than FSR3 frame gen (as that's limited to specific game support). What are the realistic chances the same 'FMF' thing will be developed by Nvidia or hacked to work on Nvidia then?

MadMossy · 29 Sep 2023 at 20:52

Case1987 said:
It's not on Cyberpunk yet is it?

Frame gen can be enabled on the tech preview drivers on most dx11/12 games for 7X00 series amd cards only.

MadMossy · 29 Sep 2023 at 20:53

Firegod said:
This is really good news to read. Thanks for taking the time to share it people. Well done AMD too. Can I check, so FSR3 is upscaling and FMF is additional frame gen. I'm guessing they're not exclusive and one can work without the other?

FSR3 is temporal upscaling with frame gen, FMF is just frame gen.

Firegod · 29 Sep 2023 at 21:04

MadMossy said:
FSR3 is temporal upscaling with frame gen, FMF is just frame gen.

Gotcha ta. So FSR3 is like a superset containing upsclaing and frame gen. But frame gen is only available on later model cards. Cheers.

MadMossy · 29 Sep 2023 at 21:10

Firegod said:
Gotcha ta. So FSR3 is like a superset containing upsclaing and frame gen. But frame gen is only available on later model cards. Cheers.

FSR3 and frame gen will work on most modern gpus.

The tech preview driver is just limited to 7X00 serious amd I expect it will open up to new gpus when it's officially launched.

fs123 · 29 Sep 2023 at 21:34

wunkley said:
I've not tested the Forspoken demo yet, got distracted by cocktails and vintage top of the pops on bb4 (the only TV worth watching).

This Fluid Motion Frames thing then, sounds even more enticing than FSR3 frame gen (as that's limited to specific game support). What are the realistic chances the same 'FMF' thing will be developed by Nvidia or hacked to work on Nvidia then?

If AMD releases the source code for FMF then someone could get it working for Nvidia. I'm assuming it works in a slightly different way to FSR3 otherwise there was no need for AMD to release FSR3 at all. Instead they would have just enabled FMF for their own cards to work on all games.

JediFragger · 29 Sep 2023 at 21:38

wunkley said:
and vintage top of the pops on bb4 (the only TV worth watching).

Saville special?

MadMossy · 29 Sep 2023 at 21:45

fs123 said:
If AMD releases the source code for FMF then someone could get it working for Nvidia. I'm assuming it works in a slightly different way to FSR3 otherwise there was no need for AMD to release FSR3 at all. Instead they would have just enabled FMF for their own cards to work on all games.

FMF is a driver based solution for AMD users, without the drivers there is no FMF. They probably won't release its source code, while FSR3 is opensource so, anyone could add it to their software (specially if they already support FSR2).

FSR3 is added into the games code and therefor works on all supported gpus inc nvidia and intel.