AMD's FSR3 possibly next month ?

[tommybhoy]

Again, your stating problems on Avatar FSR3, which is only half of the tech in use in my findings on the topic of FSR3+FMF using the latest driver.

You've also projected onto the forum I'm opposed to providing proof and now you're backtracking.

If you think you debunked anything previous, good for you, but more fellow 3080 users agreed with my findings than yours.

All you need to take away from my posts are it's working well, if you don't believe it fine.

 

[Nexus18]

Again, your stating problems on Avatar FSR3, which is only half of the tech in use in my findings on the topic of FSR3+FMF using the latest driver.

You've also projected onto the forum I'm opposed to providing proof and now you're backtracking.

If you think you debunked anything previous, good for you, but more fellow 3080 users agreed with my findings than yours.

All you need to take away from my posts are it's working well, if you don't believe it fine.

Hence why I am asking you if it resolves the issues which are present in FSR 3 and if possible to post something to show if issues are resolved..... My OP to you and your experience:

I can't comment on the FMF since can't use it but if it is anything like the injection of FSR 3 then I'm sure it does work well and probably better than the official FSR 3 integration? However, does the quality of it depend on the game like the mod does? Some games it works great, others not so great. Better to have than not to have though obviously.

The official FSR 3 integration is still crap though in avatar and I haven't seen any patches to the game to fix the evidenced issues with frame pacing and UI, which makes it a no go imo. Does combining FMF and FSR fix somehow fix this? If so, be great to see some videos showcasing it as we had review outlets praising how good FSR 3 was even though when we had proper in depth look, it wasn't free of issues like claimed.

You're the one then who went on a huge defense angle about "how no one else has used the latest FMF in combination with fsr 3 so you're all not qualified" to speak even though you didn't post anything to back up what you are seeing. Again, great news if this does resolve the issues but sorry I don't take "trust me bro" posts seriously anymore.

What findings by what 3080 users? I haven't seen anyone comment about FMF/FSR 3 on a 3080 in this discussion here.

Like I said, doesn't matter, more qualified sources will be along soon enough to post what is what and with evidence.

 

[tommybhoy]

My 3080 comment was referencing your general claims of 'debunking' stuff that you and only you think you debunked which you clearly haven't in the past.

I didn't go on a huge defensive, I posted before your Op and pre emptied old data as useless-as it's FACT!

That's on you for posting old data trying to debunk my findings using DO's three month old vid to prove a point that cannot be proved at this moment in time...

That's the problem in these conversations, somebody presents a pov and then you claim they said this and that and needs proven with evidence that suits your pov, or you keep coming back again and again.

I'm not in your Pulsar thread challenging you over and over demanding anything, so I'll expect the same courtesy of you respecting my posts too and let the forum get on with the topic.

Thank you and have a nice day.

 

[Nexus18]

My 3080 comment was referencing your general claims of 'debunking' stuff that you and only you think you debunked which you clearly haven't in the past.

I didn't go on a huge defensive, I posted before your Op and pre emptied old data as useless-as it's FACT!

That's on you for posting old data trying to debunk my findings using DO's three month old vid to prove a point that cannot be proved at this moment in time...

That's the problem in these conversations, somebody presents a pov and then you claim they said this and that and needs proven with evidence that suits your pov, or you keep coming back again and again.

I'm not in your Pulsar thread challenging you over and over demanding anything, so I'll expect the same courtesy of you respecting my posts too and let the forum get on with the topic.

Thank you and have a nice day.

Ok so nothing to do with this specific topic/discussion, which is about FSR 3/FMF then, good to know.

It's only useless to you if that is indeed what your experience is and it is in fact improved/fixed but until there is evidence, it means nothing to myself and anyone else who cares to see some actual evidence to prove such claims. Again, certain users and even tech press claimed FSR 3 is perfect and all issues were fixed yet as proven by more credible and in depth testing, that was and still is not the case. Your entire post is the usual "trust me bro" and again, based on history, I can't take such claims seriously, your posts since me simply asking does FMF and FSR 3 fix the issues in avatar have just screemed as being overly defensive because I've simply asked you to post something which backs up the experience you say you are having with FMF and FSR 3 i.e. you're taking offence to me by taking your claims with a pinch of salt because you have posted nothing to prove your experience, well again, that's not my problem.

You then went on to make the claim that FSR 3 works better on amd hardware even though again, there is nothing out there to show this, once again, more than happy to see some evidence to show otherwise.

Maybe you aren't in the pulsar thread challenging the statements because I've referenced several experts findings and thoughts on the topic, kind of hard to post things to debunk the leading experts in that field.....

Enjoy the weekend.

 

[tommybhoy]

Still at it, I've(others) produced before on vram issues and you ignore it.

If I said 'it looks fine to me, I'd then read on one of your posts is 'Tommy said it's fixed'.

I've already asked politely, I shouldn't have to ask again.

 

[Nexus18]

Still at it, I've(others) produced before on vram issues and you ignore it.

If I said 'it looks fine to me, I'd then read on one of your posts is 'Tommy said it's fixed'.

I've already asked politely, I shouldn't have to ask again.

Still at what? Asking you to post some evidence to back up 2 statements?

- fsr 3 working better on amd than on nvidia
- FMF and FSR 3 working well and "supposedly" fixing the issues present in FSR 3 avatar (I know you said, you'll need to check it out on your 4k oled as it's not evident on the 1440p but resolution difference is not going to fix the issues with fsr 3 specifically in avatar unless using FMF with FSR 3 somehow does fix it? Hence, again, why it would be good to see actual evidence to confirm this)

If you can't handle discussion or/and don't like your arguments being challenged because you haven't posted anything to back them up then don't take offence and try to deflect into other things that are not relevant and maybe a discussion forum isn't the right place if you're going to get defensive over your "experience" being questioned?

We are talking specifically about FSR 3 and FMF here as per the subject topic so not sure why you're bringing in completely irrelevant topics to this thread/original discussion?

Your opinion/experience is fine but lets look at the comments you were replying to:

i.e. your post comes across as disregarding their opinions/outtakes all because they're "nvidia users" even though we have evidence up to now to align more with their outtakes than your experience and no evidence.

Again, maybe AMD have made FMF/FSR 3 perfect, if so, great, I look forward to seeing some analytical comparisons of before and after from reputable sources in the near future.

I'll leave it there because as per usual, just going round in circles now.

 

[humbug]

I think some people need Nvidia to always be better. its the Apple thing, they will tell you an iPhone or an iMac is always a much better "experience" than anything else, even if they havent used anything else for decades.
They are emotionally tied to a brand and get very emotional if they feel that loyalty is even slightly unjustified because it puts them right outside thier emotional comfort zone.

Meanwhile, there's this:

AMD Believes NVIDIA is Behind in Driver-Based Upscaler Development

AMD is readying its Fluid Motion Frames (AFMF) technology for public release later this month (January 24 to be exact). Aaron Steinman, a Senior Radeon Manager, believes that arch rival NVIDIA will need to take some drastic steps once AFMF arrives due to its more open nature. He stated in a...

www.techpowerup.com

At least there's the option there...

Personally, I will try it out on release. If the issue with camera movement, which leads to fluid motion being disabled (and a sudden dip in framerate) is still there, I doubt I will use it, as I only have use for something that improves 1% lows. They should let the user decide how this 'feature' actually works.

If not, then there's always FSR3 mods for games supporting FSR2...

Nvidia's thinking is always 'make the consumer upgrade and then lock them in to our eco system' one cannot blame them for that, its Nvidia job to take as much of our money as possible for as long as possible, Nvidia take that very very seriously and they are very very good at it. But know it for what it is....

If i was buying a GPU for its Frame Gen technology i would not be buying Nvidia, i would be buying AMD because unlike with Nvidia with AMD i can use Frame Gen where and when i want to in any game i want. Yes AMD have got this right and they have it better.

 

[eeii]

Looking forward to FMF.

 

[Stanners]

Looking forward to FMF.

Yeah, I am looking forward to giving it a go.

 

[tommybhoy]

Update on my FSR3+FMF testing in Avatar FOP, personally it's not doable on the 65" QD-Oled as the FG is very evident be it FSR3 FMF combined or running individually.

For reference, DLSS3 FG was very evident on the 65" too but that was different games with official DLSS3 support and ran with it off as well as I can get a cleaner output image running native on lower settings regardless running Nv/AMD on that panel.

However, as stated earlier in the thread, FSR3+FMF results are much better on the 27" 165Hz 1440p, really good due to the smaller panel-artifacts are cleaned up much more and less noticeable due to the extremely high fps.

There are dips but my saves in the plains-it's considerably more demanding than the first section of the map due to the winds interacting with the landscape covered in flora, it's very well done when flying above the landscape watching the flora swirl in the wind direction.

 

[tommybhoy]

Looking forward to FMF.

Yeah, I am looking forward to giving it a go.

It's not a silver bullet, even though they've improved it considerably since launch, it is giving you double the fps, but it's biggest disadvantage is mkb movement where it disables off/on, if they can reduce that more, it might have some benefits.

It's the FSR3+FMF combo though, it negates most if not all of the input lag on mkb if you can get your fps into the 200fps+ region-albeit with slightly lesser IQ.

Also remember FMF has a more broad range than just med/high end discrete, it's going to boost everything in the low end where gfx don't matter as much as getting to run a title that was undoable without FMF.

 

[tommybhoy]

Based on my experience:

FMF pros:

FSR3+FMF combo(based on AFOP that Iv'e tested) can double your Frame Gen output to simply crazy fps!

It doubles your native fps-doesn't require any upscaling.

Games locked@30/60fps can be run 60/120fps.

The smaller the panel, less likely to notice visible artifacts.

Big pro for emulation, double your fps as it doubles the hard locked frame rate problem.

(If FMF/FSR3 can get integrated into future or even current handhelds, AMD hardware is going to achieve a simply massive boost in fps!)


FMF cons:

(running final pre driver before 1st official release)

The biggest con, it enables/disables on fast mkb movement, same with controller but to a lesser degree, on slower paced/different genres it's not as bad or won't be an issue.

Visible artifacts, steadily gets worse the bigger the panel you run.*

Only runs V-Sync disabled!

In combination with FSR and Adrenaline Image sharpening-it can degrade the output, varies per game.

*I run 79XTX@1440p 165Hz ips and 4K 65" QD-Oled-artifacts are way more noticeable when running in 4K on the couch, on the 27" it's a much better experience.

 

[g67575]

Good point about emulation. I can see it being quite helpful in games / emulators that would normally fix the framerate.

 

[g67575]

Will it be easy to enable FMF in every game, in the full release version?

I tried to activate it in some games, and it most it worked, but it didn't activate in Age of Wonders 4.

 

[Joxeon]

I haven't a seen neutral person who likes fluid frames, everyone says don't use it and the reason is it increases input latency and decreases image quality and introduces image artefacts

That’s pretty much the same with frame gen though just to a lesser degree.

 

[tommybhoy]

Will it be easy to enable FMF in every game, in the full release version?

I tried to activate it in some games, and it most it worked, but it didn't activate in Age of Wonders 4.

• AFMF is recommended to be enabled while maintaining a minimum in-game fps of 60.
• AFMF may be enabled/disabled on the fly using the default hotkey of Alt-Shift-G.

 

[mrk]

Again, maybe AMD have made FMF/FSR 3 perfect, if so, great,

They haven't Still a generation of development to go, but then Nvidia will be another gen ahead...

DF talk about it in this week's DFWeekly:

The hot take is that the press and gamers need to hamper AMD to fix the issues, just like they did with DLSS in the early days as Alex mentions and Nvidia suddenly then supported Vsync when outside of Gsync range.

The problem will be that FSR doesn't use dedicated hardware to do what it does, so technically will always be a step behind (however small) than an implementation that uses dedicated hardware.

 

[Nexus18]

They haven't Still a generation of development to go, but then Nvidia will be another gen ahead...

DF talk about it in this week's DFWeekly:

The hot take is that the press and gamers need to hamper AMD to fix the issues, just like they did with DLSS in the early days as Alex mentions and Nvidia suddenly then supported Vsync when outside of Gsync range.

The problem will be that FSR doesn't use dedicated hardware to do what it does, so technically will always be a step behind (however small) than an implementation that uses dedicated hardware.

Great insight from DF as per usual Good that they have been working with amd directly to solve the issues with their frame gen too, means everyone wins!

Alex's video should be good since he will also be looking at the modded in FSR 3/FG. Personally my experience in CP 2077, ark and hogwarts has been great but other games not so much, dying light 2 being the worst so should be interesting to see if the experience on his end is the same.

 

[mrk]

You and your old gen card

 

[TNA]

You and your old gen card

When 10GB is enough, why change?