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AMD's FSR3 possibly next month ?

DF usually get sneak peaks including hands on preview tbf, don't forget, they are first and foremost, mainly a console based channel, at least that is how they started out iirc.

I don't doubt DLSS will still have the edge, more so for the lower presets or/and at lower res. but I am fully expecting FSR 4 to get to the point it will be very hard to tell outside of side by side, slowed down footage for likes of 4k/1440 and quality and maybe balanced presets.
 
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Grim5 said:
Digital foundry's first analysis shows PSSR/FSR4 is better than FSR3, but is still inferior to DLSS
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Source for this btw or rather leaks:

www.neogaf.com

Ps5 pro games performance and resolution of patreon Digital Foundry

Remember this all from ps5 exclusive gameplay video provided to digital Foundry :- The Last of Part 2 - 1440p internal resolution at 60fps in this PS5 Pro Mode (same as PS5 Performance Mode) with improved image quality due to PSSR Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart - Between 1440p and 1800p internal...
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Remember this all from ps5 exclusive gameplay video provided to digital Foundry :-

The Last of Part 2 - 1440p internal resolution at 60fps in this PS5 Pro Mode (same as PS5 Performance Mode) with improved image quality due to PSSR

Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart - Between 1440p and 1800p internal resolution (roughly the PS5 Quality Mode at 40fps) at 60fps in this PS5 Pro mode with the same settings as the PS5 Performance Mode and using PSSR to bring it up to 4K

Alan Wake 2 - Two modes shown (864p at 60fps & 1260p at 30fps) which is the same as the base PS5 modes and they presume it's using PSSR and not the FSR in base PS5. 60fps clip has SSR but the 30fps clip could have RT.

Horizon Forbidden West - resolution didn't look 4K. They presume it's not using PSSR but hard to tell. Thinking it is using 4K checkerboard but again hard to tell. PS5 vs PS5 Pro has the Pro with higher detail.
Harry potter hograts legacy : RT reflections looks better on the PS5 Pro but has some visual noise in the background. RT shadows might be mixed with SSR but look to be an improvement over base PS5. 30 fps in the footage but the presume it'll have 60fps modes as the base PS5 has it.

Gram Turismo 7 - RT reflections in game appear to be quarter resolution (1080p). 8k mode. Lower resolution (1188p) in the PS5 Pro footage and probably using PSSR to bring it up to 4K where the base game without RT reflections is a Native 4K. RT looks better than Forza Motorsport.

Dragon's Dogma 2 / Assassins Creed Shadows - DG2 looks to be running at 60fps and might be using PSSR. ACS looks to be running at 864p at 60fps
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Dicehunter said:
Wow, Games running at 864P using PSSR, That's £700 very well spent.... /s :D
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You mean like the 4070 on release? ;)

All joking aside, it does seem like a lot of money for the rumoured performance. Not terrible of course but meh. It will sell like hot cakes if they have some exclusives for it on release. If they release a remaster of the remastered Last of Us, forget it :)
 
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ICDP said:
You mean like the 4070 on release? ;)

All joking aside, it does seem like a lot of money for the rumoured performance. Not terrible of course but meh. It will sell like hot cakes if they have some exclusives for it on release. If they release a remaster of the remastered Last of Us, forget it :)
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If they get the devs of Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of Us, Uncharted, Spiderman 1+2 etc... to do various graphical upgrades, The Pro will sell out within a day.
 
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The PS5 Pro has 60 RDNA 3.5 CU's at 2.2Ghz, memory bandwidth is 448 GB/s

Compare that to the RX 7800 XT which has 60 RDNA 3 CU's at 2.4Ghz, memory bandwidth is 624 GB/s. The .5 part will be RT capabilities of RDNA 4, in raster its probably about 80% an RX 7800 XT due to the memory bandwidth constraints, and 2X as fast in RT.
Coming to think of it its an RX 7700 XT in raster, which fits as the PS5 was a 6700 XT, AMD seems to be stuffing lower high end level PC GPU's in to these consoles.

That's very good, the 7700 XT, is a high end 1440P card, or lower level 4K, how i measure that is AAA highest settings 120Hz 1440P or mid settings 60Hz 4K raster only.

I would imagine it runs GTA 6 at around 60Hz 1440P render resolution high but not highest settings, assuming its a very graphics intensive game.
 
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Ayahuasca said:
I thought that would be the case, I asked because people are talking about it as if what we've seen so far (very little) is it.
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People like DF making videos with sensationalist content for viral linking on reddit and places like this, its low rent magazine journalism for entertainment but presented as analytical, that is modern so called journalism. The thing is this is what people want, not by coincidence in the last decade or so for the first time in recorded history IQ level's are falling, IQ levels don't reduce as you get older, they increase a little, make of that what you will.

Anand Tech will be missed.
 
humbug said:
People like DF making videos with sensationalist content for viral linking on reddit and places like this, its low rent magazine journalism for entertainment but presented as analytical, that is modern so called journalism. The thing is this is what people want, not by coincidence in the last decade or so for the first time in recorded history IQ level's are falling, IQ levels don't reduce as you get older, they increase a little, make of that what you will.

Anand Tech will be missed.
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Do you care to provide evidence to debunk their takes then?

Say what you want about them leaning towards nvidia over amd which does carry some weight but you can't deny their technical and analytical testing/insights unless again, you have something which proves their takes wrong?
 
Nexus18 said:
Do you care to provide evidence to debunk their takes then?

Say what you want about them leaning towards nvidia over amd which does carry some weight but you can't deny their technical and analytical testing/insights unless again, you have something which proves their takes wrong?
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No one said their conclusions about the materials they analysed was wrong, its the way they presented those conclusions, they have a finality about those conclusions for not just PSSR, those being preview versions; but also FSR 4 which they have zero data to base their conclusions on, its an obvious deliberate reach to arrive at said conclusion.
So its a trust issue.
 
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humbug said:
No one said their conclusions about the materials they analysed was wrong, its the way they presented those conclusions, they have a finality about those conclusions for not just PSSR, those being preview versions; but also FSR 4 which they have zero data to base their conclusions on, its an obvious deliberate reach to arrive at said conclusion.
So its a trust issue.
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And what exactly is wrong with making educated assumption(s)? Isn't that exactly what you and everyone else is trying to do with the leaks around rdna 4 and trying to figure out where rdna 4 will fall? Hence why we ended up with things like "poor volta"..... Sony are the ones who have revealed and done the comparisons to the ps 5 and even provided DF with the a prores file:


Now, armed with a 65GB ProRes file of the Mark Cerny presentation, we can go deeper - much deeper - into the software that was shown and how good PSSR AI upscaling actually is
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Also, I can't see where DF made that comment saying "DLSS is better than FSR4" and again, if anything, it is most likely an educated guess based of what they have seen or perhaps even heard from Sony themselves? @Grim5 source?
 
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And what exactly is wrong with making educated assumption(s)? Isn't that exactly what you and everyone else is trying to do with the leaks around rdna 4 and trying to figure out where rdna 4 will fall? Hence why we ended up with things like "poor volta"..... Sony are the ones who have revealed and done the comparisons to the ps 5 and even provided DF with the a prores file:




Also, I can't see where DF made that comment saying "DLSS is better than FSR4" and again, if anything, it is most likely an educated guess based of what they have seen or perhaps even heard from Sony themselves? @Grim5 source?
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Watch the video again, the ratchet and clank section they directly compare dlss and pssr side by side and show PSSR having less stable image. They mention in one area FSR 3 is also more stable than PSSR (on the foliage), but pssr has a advantage in apparent image resolution over FSR
 
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Grim5 said:
Watch the video again, the ratchet and clank section they directly compare dlss and pssr side by side and show PSSR having less stable image. They mention in one area FSR 3 is also more stable than PSSR (on the foliage), but pssr has a advantage in apparent image resolution over FSR
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So it's not technically FSR 4 they are referring to but PSSR.

I suspect PSSR will be similar to FSR 4 but I would expect PSSR to be better given how good Sonys checkerboarding and other tech skills in general are....
 
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humbug said:
Given that PSSR is an AI trained upscaller it will continuously improve as they improve its AI training just by virtue of the more training it gets....
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Bit like Rocky then? :D

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