'Anti' Isalm cartoons....
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ben_j_davis said:
The first time I saw a bunch of guys with turbans and AKs, waving their arms about and burning a flag, i thought it was pretty scary. Since then its been on the TV EVERY DAY for the last 4 years and its gotten a bit silly. And now that they've taken to burning Danish flags of all nationallitys - well.... thats just down right hilarious!! Throw in the HOW DARE U and we're really rolling around grabbing our sides
Amusement seems to be the reaction of most western people to this situation. I think as the years pass since 911, western people are getting less cautious about Islamic culture. This is partly because they are now a little (and I stress a little) less ignorant about Islam and its culture. The muslim is no longer the 'bogey man' we were lead to believe in around the time of 911. So now people are more comfortable taking the mickey a bit, the same way we do with our own religions occaisionally
Having said that, theres still a bit of ignorance in both cultures - I don't think any western person would have expected such a hugh backlash over these cartoons. I really don't believe they were intended to be as insulting to muslims as they clearly are.It's worrying though. How are our peoples meant to learn to live with each other in peace and goodwill if we can't poke a little fun at each other?
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Visage said:
Strange, accusing everyone else of being wrong is something you usually like to get in first - usually with sarcastic one-liners
I think that the first thing you need to ask about the post you quoted is "WTF is a terrorsit?" - do they sit on terror?
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I have to say this business smacks of the 'pot calling the kettle black'
see here for 'traditional' or classical images of the prophet and the controversial caricatures:
http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/
...and some rather 'offensive' cartoons from various arabic publications (concerning jews for the most part) it would seem that it it quite acceptable for extreemists to ignore the irony of the situation and infer some deeply malign views expressed in caricature when the moment takes them:
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm
It would appear that those with the loudest voice get the most attention, such a pitty that those with a more moderate and sensibly pragmatic stance of their and others religion do not have such a widespread public attention:
http://muttawa.blogspot.com/
But really, how can such voices be heard above the clammour for justice and revenge according to hardline oppinion and belief:
http://www.alghurabaa.co.uk/articles/new/cartoon.htm
All in all I recon the majority of 'nationalised foreigners' in the UK have only their comunities and adopted homes best interests in mind and if anything, such violent and aggressive posturing (by either parties- muslim hardliners or the rest of us white britts/brittish nationals) only serves to the detriment of all - breeding unnessesscary suspicion on all sides which in my oppinion is a far more insidious and dangerous thing than a few nutcases spouting off about blasphemy in the media.
see here for 'traditional' or classical images of the prophet and the controversial caricatures:
http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/
...and some rather 'offensive' cartoons from various arabic publications (concerning jews for the most part) it would seem that it it quite acceptable for extreemists to ignore the irony of the situation and infer some deeply malign views expressed in caricature when the moment takes them:
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm
It would appear that those with the loudest voice get the most attention, such a pitty that those with a more moderate and sensibly pragmatic stance of their and others religion do not have such a widespread public attention:
http://muttawa.blogspot.com/
But really, how can such voices be heard above the clammour for justice and revenge according to hardline oppinion and belief:
http://www.alghurabaa.co.uk/articles/new/cartoon.htm
All in all I recon the majority of 'nationalised foreigners' in the UK have only their comunities and adopted homes best interests in mind and if anything, such violent and aggressive posturing (by either parties- muslim hardliners or the rest of us white britts/brittish nationals) only serves to the detriment of all - breeding unnessesscary suspicion on all sides which in my oppinion is a far more insidious and dangerous thing than a few nutcases spouting off about blasphemy in the media.
Indeed.bfar said:
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I think they just dislike WHO drew the pictures. General negative sentiment at non-Muslims is not something we should capitulate to in any fashion
Having said that - Salmon Rushdie drew similar 'criticism' and he was one of their own
Having said that - Salmon Rushdie drew similar 'criticism' and he was one of their own
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I don't understand your motive CBS.cleanbluesky said:
I'm pretty certain that you understand the issue of the drawing of the prophet Muhammed is forbidden, yet you blatantly feel the need to be disputatious.
Insulting a phophet of an Ideology is socially acceptable?cleanbluesky said:
How many blind people would it take to realise the opposite?
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dark_shadow said:
See Jumpy's excellent post above.
Social critique makes a healthy society. Anything that cannot be questioned is inherently flawed.
I've not seen the pictures. I choose not to view them. Being muslim and hearing something like this. Ok yes it annoys me. But its not to the point where I feel I want to kill someone because of it. Are the drawings against Islam? Yes. Will me acting like an idiot and attempting to kill someone change the fact that they exist? No. I'll let God do his job when the time comes.
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serlex said:
Interesting point, but remember that a person does not have to share a belief to feel it appropriate to comment on it
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that a person shouldn't draw things in which they do not believe? I don't believe in dragons, interstellar spacecraft, fairies or ghosts; I certainly don't believe in or even care about Mohammed and what he stands for, so are you saying I shouldn't be allowed to draw them?serlex said:
People have the right to parody Bush and Blair equally along side Mohammed, Jesus, the Pope and Britney Spears. The difference is how society, groups and individuals react to it.
serlex said:
Sorry kid, the incitement to religious hatred laws got turned down, so I'm allowed to insult Islam all I want.
NB: Remember that this cuts both ways. You are also allowed to insult and criticise my beliefs. Joy!
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serlex said:
It's not a question of believing in Muhammed, as nigh on everyone would agree that he existed. Ergo people are merely drawing pictures of a recognised historical figure, same as I could draw you a picture of Shakespeare.