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Any news on 7800 xt?

So looks like amd copied Nvidia again and gone backwards in generational performance?
7800xt slower than 6800xt etc.
When they have a chance to better they screw it up again.

No because you are falling into the same trap of comparing the 7800 XT to the 6800 XT based on name. Look at the actual MSRP (not EOL prices) and the 7800 XT is the 6700 XT successor. The fact the 7800 XT is giving 6800 XT performance for 6700 XT MSRP is a good uplift in price/perf.

Admittedly this is AMDs fault for stupidly calling it a 7800 XT.
 
Just make sure you have a beefy PSU. And a good case with good airflow. This is one of the often overlooked limitations of buying EOL top end GPUs.

People with mid budget systems have mid budget PC components and are very unlikely to have 800w - 1000w platinum or even gold rated PSUs. Nor will they be likely using more expensive high airflow PC cases. So you buy a 6950 and then wonder why your PC won’t post or keeps hard rebooting when gaming. Or keeps overheating.

420w gaming power consumption in a 6950 XT, compared to the 7800 XT at 250w. That’s a massive difference for both your PSU needs and for heat dissipation. Ignore those limitations at your peril.
...and undervolt it ;)
 
I've been a lurker here for years. How do you guys justify £550 that is basically just a barely mid range card? Yes it's powerful compared to yesteryear,but seriously wtf man?
I think we have to blame Nvidia for this as the 4070 should have been a 4060 and priced at £300-350, AMD are just being opportunistic and did the same with the 7900XT/XTX because of the 4080 pricing which again shouldn't have really been anymore than the 3080 was last gen given the hardware spec was the same as a £525 3070ti with and extra 8gb of VRAM.
 
...and undervolt it ;)

It's the spikes which make the 6900 CT and especially the 6950 XT so scary. Otherwise a reasonably 650W should cope.

So if undervolting, I would want to be sure that the undervolt holds through all driver updates etc. otherwise it could get very annoying if each time an update comes along it crashes.

No because you are falling into the same trap of comparing the 7800 XT to the 6800 XT based on name. Look at the actual MSRP (not EOL prices) and the 7800 XT is the 6700 XT successor. The fact the 7800 XT is giving 6800 XT performance for 6700 XT MSRP is a good uplift in price/perf.

Admittedly this is AMDs fault for stupidly calling it a 7800 XT.
Well, mostly because they had painted themselves into a corner with calling all the Navi 21 successors 7900 something.

I still think that if Navi 32 had to be chiplet, then they should have aimed for 250mm² or so around 72 or 80 CUs.

The penny pinching in mm² ended up with products which were bound to receive worse reviews and worse sales in the long run. And hence worse overall profits.
 
I think we have to blame Nvidia for this as the 4070 should have been a 4060 and priced at £300-350, AMD are just being opportunistic and did the same with the 7900XT/XTX because of the 4080 pricing which again shouldn't have really been anymore than the 3080 was last gen given the hardware spec was the same as a £525 3070ti with and extra 8gb of VRAM.
Thing is Joxeon the 4070 isn’t a 4060 because Nvidia named it a 4070! No point talking about hypotheticals here. I don’t think the pricing you’re after will ever return, this is the new reality.

And why don’t you look at current discounted prices (£480 for a 7800XT, £700 for a 7900XT, £860 for XTX) of new cards instead of looking at 12m old fake/greedy msrps? (We all have to wait for our price point before purchasing from now on it seems- waiting for discounts etc).

As @ICDP clearly posted the 7900XT is not bad value proposition when OCUK were selling it for £699 with Starfield.

Are you having a hard time accepting that an AMD card is good value? :D
 
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Thing is Joxeon the 4070 isn’t a 4060 because Nvidia named it a 4070! No point talking about hypotheticals here. I don’t think the pricing you’re after will ever return, this is the new reality.

And why don’t you look at current discounted prices (£480 for a 7800XT, £700 for a 7900XT, £860 for XTX) of new cards instead of looking at 12m old fake/greedy msrps? (We all have to wait for our price point before purchasing from now on it seems- waiting for discounts etc).

As @ICDP clearly posted the 7900XT is not bad value proposition when OCUK were selling it for £699 with Starfield.

Are you having a hard time accepting that an AMD card is good value? :D
There has been a big jump in the prices of everything, it may settle a little but as you say this is the new normal. The issue is that wages haven't caught up yet. Just look at what things cost 40 years ago and what wages were. It's an inevitability. A bit like the climate, we've had a very steady period and forgotten everything is always in a state of change, we have to move with it or get left behind ;)
 
I think we have to blame Nvidia for this as the 4070 should have been a 4060 and priced at £300-350, AMD are just being opportunistic and did the same with the 7900XT/XTX because of the 4080 pricing which again shouldn't have really been anymore than the 3080 was last gen given the hardware spec was the same as a £525 3070ti with and extra 8gb of VRAM.
The last card I bought was an ASUS HD 5850. I wanted to upgrade,but realised the 6850 was actually worse. Then I wanted a 7950 but prices were hitting £350-400. At that point I ducked out of PC gaming and went console. Prices now are ridiculous. £1500 for a gfx card? Lmfao,no thanks
 
The last card I bought was an ASUS HD 5850. I wanted to upgrade,but realised the 6850 was actually worse. Then I wanted a 7950 but prices were hitting £350-400. At that point I ducked out of PC gaming and went console. Prices now are ridiculous. £1500 for a gfx card? Lmfao,no thanks
£1500 is an eye watering amount, that some on here, are proposing is a great deal lmao
 
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£1500 is an eye watering amount, that some on here, are proposing is a great deal lmao

It's human nature and particularly prevelant among men... hence the term "man maths".

£900 for a 7900 XT... may as well get that 7900 XTX for only £100 more... £1000 for a 7900 XT... may as well get that 4080 for only £200 more and have all the nice Nvidialist features... £1200 for a 4080... may as well get the 4090 for £1600. Then convince yourself you are a shrewd financial wizard because you are "future proofed". Then in two years you panic sell your "future proofed" 4090 on MM for £500 and buy a 5090 for £2000 because FOMO :D
 
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Thing is Joxeon the 4070 isn’t a 4060 because Nvidia named it a 4070! No point talking about hypotheticals here. I don’t think the pricing you’re after will ever return, this is the new reality.

And why don’t you look at current discounted prices (£480 for a 7800XT, £700 for a 7900XT, £860 for XTX) of new cards instead of looking at 12m old fake/greedy msrps? (We all have to wait for our price point before purchasing from now on it seems- waiting for discounts etc).

As @ICDP clearly posted the 7900XT is not bad value proposition when OCUK were selling it for £699 with Starfield.

Are you having a hard time accepting that an AMD card is good value? :D
Value is subjective and varies from person to person, if you want to see what other people think about the 7900XT's value then look at the steam hardware survey where it actually doesn't even register despite being out for 9 months.

 
At that point I ducked out of PC gaming and went console. Prices now are ridiculous. £1500 for a gfx card? Lmfao,no thanks
You can get a decent card for less than a third of that, as this thread has shown.

And console? XBOX X drops below 30 fps in Starfield; PS5 drops to 18fps in BG3. So the current consoles - which cost hundreds of pounds - aren't much of a solution either. ;)
 
The last card I bought was an ASUS HD 5850. I wanted to upgrade,but realised the 6850 was actually worse. Then I wanted a 7950 but prices were hitting £350-400. At that point I ducked out of PC gaming and went console. Prices now are ridiculous. £1500 for a gfx card? Lmfao,no thanks
Yeah unfortunately crypto mining has ruined the GPU market for gamers as every time there has been a crypto boom the next gen that followed had massive price hikes and now we have AI taking the reins off mining.
 
Value is subjective and varies from person to person, if you want to see what other people think about the 7900XT's value then look at the steam hardware survey where it actually doesn't even register despite being out for 9 months.


Jesus you really are so far down that rabbit hole. Value can be both subjective and objective at the same time. The objective part cannot be disputed that price/perf is better on card A vs card B, subjectively you can choose to ignore (but not dismiss) those objective facts and purchase card B anyway.

Your arguement is basically the 4090 is objectively better price/perf than the 7900 XT. When it was proved that assessment was objectively wrong, you are now stating "value is subjective".

You know someone has lost an argument when they resort to using the Steam Harware survey as "proof". Is there Godwin's law for anyone who resorts to using the Steam Hardware survey on a forum?
 
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I think we have to blame Nvidia for this as the 4070 should have been a 4060 and priced at £300-350, AMD are just being opportunistic and did the same with the 7900XT/XTX because of the 4080 pricing which again shouldn't have really been anymore than the 3080 was last gen given the hardware spec was the same as a £525 3070ti with and extra 8gb of VRAM.

Think you'll have to wait till next gen to start seeing the current generation going on the used market looks like you only set on Nvidia
 
Jesus you really are so far down that rabbit hole. Value can be both subjective and objective at the same time. The objective part cannot be disputed that price/perf is better on card A vs card B, subjectively you can choose to ignore (but not dismiss) those objective facts and purchase card B anyway.

You know someone has lost an argument when they resort to using the Steam Harware survey as "proof". Is there Godwin's law for anyone who resorts to using the Steam Hardware survey on a forum?
I think Nvidia's superior RT and feature set outweighs raster performance for a lot of people especially at the higher price ranges.
 
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