Any news on 7800 xt?

[humbug]

7700xt timespy scores 15.5k points
7800xt timespy scores 18.9k points

6800xt in timespy scores 17.3k points
6700xt scores 11.7k points

AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT review (Page 26)

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Alleged AMD RX 7700 and RX 7800 GPU Performance Leaked

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6700XT: 11970
4060Ti: 12836
6800: 14503
*7700: 15465
4070: 16372
6800XT: 17098
*7800: 18197
4070Ti: 20437

So...

6700XT: 100%
4060Ti: 107%
6800: 121%
*7700: 129%
4070: 137%
6800XT: 143%
*7800: 152%
4070Ti 171%

Or....

6700XT: 100%
*7700: 129%

6800: 100%
*7800: 124%

And....

4060Ti: 100%
*7700: 124%

4070: 100%
7800: 111%

Finally...

(Red lines not exacting, just rough for positioning)

If the price is right.....

 

[Grim5]

Are you going to upgrade your 2070 to the 7800xt if it's $499 (or less)?


That's where I think the prices should be anyway, $499 for the 7800 series and $399 for the 7700 series

But AMD might get cute and do $599 for the 7800 and $499 for the 7700

 

[MichaelAwkward]

Zero chance.

7800XT to be at least £600 if not more and 7700XT around £500.

 

[gjbf1]

7700xt timespy scores 15.5k points
7800xt timespy scores 18.9k points

6800xt in timespy scores 17.3k points
6700xt scores 11.7k points

So 7700xt is about 30% faster than 6700xt and 7800xt is 10% faster than 6800xt

If you are also interested in the 6750xt, this gpu scores 13.9k in Timespy, so the 7700xt is 11% faster than the 6750xt


And if you wish to compare to the 7900xtx, then the 7800xt has 65% of the performance than the 7900xtx has and the 7700xt has 52% of the performance from the 7900xtx. So the 7900 series of GPUs are significantly faster than the 7800/7700 series

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX review (Page 23)

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AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT review (Page 26)

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Alleged AMD RX 7700 and RX 7800 GPU Performance Leaked

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Thanks very much for posting this. So generational performance uplift from that last gen is very disappointing.

 

[Angilion]

I ended up compiling a spreadsheet of benchmarking data for all the cards and then weighted it by their current used prices which led me to the 6700XT/6750XT and 3070 being the best value currently, especially for 1440p performance.[..]

I didn't do that as methodically as you did, but I had reached the same conclusion. I dismissed the 3070 due to VRAM size (8GB is just about enough now, mostly, but I expect VRAM requirements to increase over time) and the fact that it's made by nvidia. Yes, AMD are almost as bad. But nvidia is running the show and I don't want to reward them for deliberately ruining the PC gaming market. AMD is just stumbling behind nvidia in the trail nvidia makes, choosing to be an inferior copy of nvidia. AMD - Always Managing Defeat.

But I'm in a fortunate position financially due to my very low spending and I have quite a lot of fun money accumulating despite being a minimum wage flunkey. I'm not necessarily only concerned about the best value. My self-imposed budget is about £600 on the basis of how much value I think a new graphics card would bring to my hobby of gaming. So I'm looking more at whether or not I consider a graphics card to be worth the price. I don't want to feel like a mug every time I use my PC and I don't want to be part of the problem by paying inflated prices. But I sometimes think of just going "Ah, well" and buying a 7900 XTX anyway. And I carry on not deciding. Especially right now, with the possibility of the missing midrange cards coming out soon and the possibility of them being a bit better price/performance than last gen. Maybe. Possibly. RDNA3 is better at ray tracing than RDNA2 and usually does give a very small performance uplift for cards with the same number of cores. If the 7700 and 7800 cards come out at the same prices as 6700 and 6800 cards are now, they'll be better value. And maybe I'll finally decide. Probably a 7800XT. If it's the same price as a 6800XT. Or maybe a 7700XT if it's the same price as a 6750XT.

 

[Angilion]

7700xt timespy scores 15.5k points
7800xt timespy scores 18.9k points

6800xt in timespy scores 17.3k points
6700xt scores 11.7k points

So 7700xt is about 30% faster than 6700xt and 7800xt is 10% faster than 6800xt

If you are also interested in the 6750xt, this gpu scores 13.9k in Timespy, so the 7700xt is 11% faster than the 6750xt


And if you wish to compare to the 7900xtx, then the 7800xt has 65% of the performance than the 7900xtx has and the 7700xt has 52% of the performance from the 7900xtx. So the 7900 series of GPUs are significantly faster than the 7800/7700 series

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX review (Page 23)

The flagship Radeon RX 7900 XTX is in the house, powered by new rDNA3 GPU architecture and paired with 24 GB of graphics memory. The card is pitted against the GeForce RTX 4080 and manages to keep up ...

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AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT review (Page 26)

Got cash to burn? It has been a long wait, but AMD has now released it's RDNA2 based products. Yes, Big Navi has been seated on the Radeon RX 6800, 6800 XT, and 6900 XT. In this article, we'll revie...

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Alleged AMD RX 7700 and RX 7800 GPU Performance Leaked

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I read the Tom's Hardware Guide article and it's clear about the results not being clear-cut. The score for a given graphics card in Timespy varies a lot depending on the rest of the hardware in the PC, cooling (because it affects clock speeds), any overclocks, etc. So the alleged 7700XT and 7800XT scores are better than the average Timespy scores for previous gen...but we don't know that the benchmarks were run on average hardware and with average overclocks and average cooling.

I think 10-11% improvement is very likely, but we don't know yet. Maybe it's less on a like for like basis. Maybe it's more. Maybe the leaked benchmarks were run on below average hardware in a hot room.

 

[nomadd]

Maybe the leaked benchmarks were run on below average hardware in a hot room.

On a latest gen AMD card? Nah, it would have melted before the end of the test.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

So the RX7700/RX7800 series might launch 10 months after the RX7900 series? Nvidia pretty much launched its entire range now.

 

[gjbf1]

So the RX7700/RX7800 series might launch 10 months after the RX7900 series? Nvidia pretty much launched its entire range now.

Yeah, 10 months is getting into midlife refresh territory!

 

[GhostDog1981]

Yeah, 10 months is getting into midlife refresh territory!

Wonder why they’ve left it that late?

 

[uscool]

get rid of 6000 stock first ? or wanting to release with FSR 3 ( had issues getting it out) to make the charts look better

 

[GhostDog1981]

get rid of 6000 stock first ? or wanting to release with FSR 3 ( had issues getting it out) to make the charts look better

Maybe this is it. Happy with the 7900xt and if I get a FSR 3.0 10-20% boost then #winning

3080 is unlikely to be running out of grunt even at the next gen. So well done anyone who snagged that.

 

[gjbf1]

get rid of 6000 stock first ? or wanting to release with FSR 3 ( had issues getting it out) to make the charts look better

Possibly, there is still a fair amount of last gen AMD stock compared to Nvidia. When is FSR 3 out?

 

[uscool]

Possibly, there is still a fair amount of last gen AMD stock compared to Nvidia. When is FSR 3 out?

Does AMD even know ? I think it's embarrassing

 

[Angilion]

Wonder why they’ve left it that late?

AMD is competing with its own last gen, which they made too many of. With sales dropping off a cliff, they had 6000 series kit lying around. 7900XTX made sense as it's the fastest card AMD can make. 7900XT made sense as an upsell device to push people to a 7900XTX (hence the similar launch prices for the two cards). 7600...maybe the stock of unsold 6600XTs was running low. Those cards were selling quite well. With 6700XT/6750XT being recommended a lot recently, maybe those have been selling well enough to clear enough of the surplus stock. 6800 surplus stock has shifted. So maybe now's the time to dust off the midrange 7000 series that's been gathering dust for 10 months and finally let it out before it gets too close to the next gen and the same problem applies.

Maybe the people at AMD want to inflate prices some more and understand that they can't do that while 6000 cards are still available. Hey hey hey! Buy a 6800XT for £500 or buy a 7800XT that's basically the same thing but ~10% faster for £650! Special offer!

Maybe the people at AMD have just had enough of RDNA3, which is definitely a disappointment, and want rid of it. No more products, stop thinking about it, everyone on RDNA4 instead.

 

[Freddie1980]

If the price is right.....

Spoiler

 

[KompuKare]

In recent* years, AMD have been super conservative with inventory.
Almost like they would rather lose sales than have any inventory to reduce.

While the mining boom might have ended with them producing too much, I suspect there were serious issues with Navi32. Any sane risk management would have had Navi 32 as 5nm monolith anyhow. For Navi 33 what would have motivated them is that it is cheaper to make than Navi 23 as TSMC were offering big discounts for 6nm vs 7nm, and the die size is almost the same.

Would love to know the manufacturing date of any recently purchased Navi 21 dies.

* Well, recent is more like since the first APUs came out - so maybe over a decade ago now? - when they had to write off ~ $100 million. This was when they were almost bankrupt.

 

[Joxeon]

Zero chance.

7800XT to be at least £600 if not more and 7700XT around £500.

They’ll be DOA and those prices though.

 

[humbug]

Are you going to upgrade your 2070 to the 7800xt if it's $499 (or less)?


That's where I think the prices should be anyway, $499 for the 7800 series and $399 for the 7700 series

But AMD might get cute and do $599 for the 7800 and $499 for the 7700

Whatever happens my maximum is $500, over the years i've moved that up from $300.

We don't have a magic money tree, Nvidia and AMD constantly trying to up sell us eventually they just price us out, there is a limit.

So, I think the naming is very deliberate, they wont sell beyond a certain price, with that said the RX 6800 was $579, IMO the 7800 will be $549 or £579, the reason i think it might be $549 is because $579 is too close to the $599 of the 4070, yes its faster but only by 11%.
I can't find the original MSRP of the RX 6700, the RX 6700XT was $479, lets say it was $449, IMO that's the price of the RX 7700.

At $549 for the RX 7800 i think that's perfectly fine, $50 cheaper than the RTX 4070 and 16GB 256Bit Bus vs 12GB 192Bit, its also $30 cheaper than the card its replaced and 24% faster.
Again at $449 for the RX 7700, that's pretty good, £50 more expensive than the current RTX 4060Ti but also 24% faster and 12GB 192Bit Bus vs 8GB with a 128Bit Bus, the RTX 4060Ti 16GB is also 128Bit and $50 more expensive while being no faster than the 8GB version, those are pretty crap GPU's, the RX 7700 is pretty decent. Its about 90% the performance of an RTX 3080 / RX 6800XT.

If HUB give these a bad review they are trolling AMD.

 

[humbug]

I read the Tom's Hardware Guide article and it's clear about the results not being clear-cut. The score for a given graphics card in Timespy varies a lot depending on the rest of the hardware in the PC, cooling (because it affects clock speeds), any overclocks, etc. So the alleged 7700XT and 7800XT scores are better than the average Timespy scores for previous gen...but we don't know that the benchmarks were run on average hardware and with average overclocks and average cooling.

I think 10-11% improvement is very likely, but we don't know yet. Maybe it's less on a like for like basis. Maybe it's more. Maybe the leaked benchmarks were run on below average hardware in a hot room.

What Toms are missing is that you can compare them to AMD's own, so you can slot them in relative to their own and with that the competition.

At $549 the 7800 at 141% on the TPU chart makes the 7900XT 22% faster (173%) for 36% more money, its its $579 the 7900XT is 29% more expensive.