Any news on 7800 xt?

[Freddie1980]

I think the scaling on different charts is the issue here. 17% on a HUB chart is a massive line across the screen whereas in a bar chart showing absolute performance 17% might only show up a notch and bit higher which is why people's perceptions can be different.

 

[Murphy]

I ignore RT ...

Personally I'd ignore ALXAndy as they're clearly being insincere and inflammatory. It's a shame as everyone was being rather level headed until (s)he turned up.

 

[humbug]

I don't rate the 4060Ti, but is it not better than the 2070S?
Looking at reviews it's much better.

Its 28% better, TPU 1440P, which is 9% better than the 3060Ti.

The 3070 was always a little over 30% better for the same money, the performance is not the reason i didn't buy it, its not great but that's not it, its the 8GB, My 2070S already has more muscle than its 8GB can cope with, i'm getting texture popping, blurry textures and greatly reduced performance in some sections of some games due to VRam limitations
The 3070 would never have cured that, the 4060Ti wont either. Its not an option.

 

[ALXAndy]

I ignore RT as well , and been looking at benchmarks since the release of the cards , I'll say it once more in terms of rasterization performance, the RTX 3080 and Radeon 6800 XT are very evenly matched

It wasn't though.

GeForce RTX 3080 vs. Radeon RX 6800 XT: 2023 Revisit

Today we're revisiting the battle between the most reasonable previous-gen high-end GPUs: the AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT and Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 10GB, in 50 games...

www.techspot.com

Have a read through that. The 3080, in those tests, was 6% faster at 1440p. It was 8% faster at 4k.

With RT turned on. In lots of the games tested.

Right now I play PUBG, Far Cry 6 and Dead Island 2. And in all of those? the 6800XT is as fast as a 3090. Now obviously that is going to depend on use cases (I am talking about mine here, hence why I now have three AMD GPUs) but seriously, there is no way the 3080 could hold even a 1% deficit with RT removed.

It takes a lot for me to admit hopefully that the 7800XT is as fast or faster in raster than a 6800XT. Why? because I paid £700 for mine (though in fairness that was last October !) but yeah, if it is or faster? at £500 with 16gb VRAM it makes a mockery of Nvidia.

BTW, don't you find it fishy that Nvidia supposedly can't make their new version of DLSS work on a 30 series? lmfao. That is to make their pathetic 40 series cards look better, a la the cheating I have been referring to.

Like I said dude, kool aid free. I can see through all of that BS.

 

[Harlequin]

So moving on....

 

[ALXAndy]

Personally I'd ignore ALXAndy as they're clearly being insincere and inflammatory. It's a shame as everyone was being rather level headed until (s)he turned up.

Funny. Seems instead of talking about it you laugh at my posts, yet now I am being inflammatory and disrespectful? Have I done the same? you will find the answer to that is no.

 

[humbug]

@Martini1991

Have a look at this. 120Hz 1440P no problem, until i get near the scarp yard, then its 30, that's VRam overspill, later i turn the graphics down and its fine.

Then have a look at the road textures in this, also notice some of the foliage is missing textures entirely.

8GB cards are out.... period!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The thing is the price should be lower but the RTX4060TI 16GB and RTX4070 12GB are $500 and $600 RRPs,with a $40 Overwatch 2 Battlepass. AMD is not only pricing their equivalents for less(and the RX7800XT has more VRAM),but Starfield Premium is worth $100. So in the mind of AMD,they think they are undercutting Nvidia a decent amount if you add the Starfield bundle,but the issue is Nvidia is massively overpriced in the first place. Hence AMD is "less"overpriced.

Also just as the RTX4070 is the RTX4060TI,the RX7800XT is the RX7700XT.

If the RTX4060TI 16GB had been even $450,I suspect the RX7700XT 12GB might have been closer to $400. Now if Nvidia does decide to cut the RTX4060TI and RTX4070 pricing over the next week,we might see AMD forced to drop pricing somewhat more. But this seems to be what also happened with RDNA1. AMD pushed up the RX690 to the RX5700XT,because the RTX2070 was overpriced. Then Nvidia reduced some prices,and AMD did the whole jebait thing before they launch. It was the same with the RX5600XT and the RTX2060.

It sadly seems the way things have been the last few years ever since Polaris!

 

[ALXAndy]

The thing is the price should be lower but the RTX4060TI 16GB and RTX4070 12GB are $500 and $600 RRPs,with a $40 Overwatch 2 Battlepass. AMD is not only pricing their equivalents for less(and the RX7800XT has more VRAM),but Starfield Premium is worth $100. So in the mind of AMD,they think they are undercutting Nvidia a decent amount if you add the Starfield inclusion,but the issue is Nvidia is massively overpriced in the first place. Hence AMD is "less"overpriced.

If the RTX4060TI 16GB had been even $450,I suspect the RX7700XT 12GB might have been closer to $400. Now if Nvidia does decide to cut the RTX4060TI and RTX4070 pricing over the next week,we might see AMD forced to drop pricing somewhat more. But this seems to be what also happened with RDNA1. AMD pushed up the RX590 to the RX5700XT,because the RTX2070 was overpriced. Then Nvidia reduced some prices,and AMD did the whole jebait thing before they launch. It was the same with the RX5600XT and the RTX2060.

It sadly seems the way things have been the last few years ever since Polaris!

You need to also factor in that AMD still have 6000 stock on shelves, too. They will want that long gone before they drop prices.

They will though, as they always seem a lot more keen to do so (7900XT for £600 recently). They also dropped the price of the 7600 quite well too, and it too comes with SF.

 

[uscool]

Shame they didn't release them 6 months earlier might have got the few mugs that bought the 4060ti and 4070

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

You need to also factor in that AMD still have 6000 stock on shelves, too. They will want that long gone before they drop prices.

They will though, as they always seem a lot more keen to do so (7900XT for £600 recently). They also dropped the price of the 7600 quite well too, and it too comes with SF.

The biggest issue is the the RTX4060TI 8GB and 16GB - its totally screwed up everything. With the price-drops on RX6700XT and RX6800,now instead of an RTX4060TI you can get a slightly slower RX6700XT for £300ish and it has more VRAM. But if you want a faster card,you can get an RX6800 16GB and RX7700XT for under £450. If you want more VRAM the RX6800XT and RX7800XT cost as much as the RTX4060TI 16GB. Then when you add the free copy of Starfield Premium which is £60~£70,it makes the RX6700XT when it was £300 a really decent deal.

So because of the RTX4060TI,the AMD £300~£500 stack is saturated with cheaper or better cards.

The RTX4060TI is a worse dGPU for me than the GTX960 2GB. At least the GTX960 2GB was cheap and was soon replaced by the 4GB model at almost the same price.

 

[Ross Thomson]

That price gap isn't big enough between the 7700XT and 7800XT

 

[ALXAndy]

I think the delay was down to the massively over produced 6800-6950XTs tbh.

Nvidia sold out of the high end 30 series ages ago now. Problem is if you usurp your own GPUs with newer better ones you can't sell the old ones.

All inevitable with what has happened over the past three years I guess.

 

[humbug]

The thing is the price should be lower but the RTX4060TI 16GB and RTX4070 12GB are $500 and $600 RRPs,with a $40 Overwatch 2 Battlepass. AMD is not only pricing their equivalents for less(and the RX7800XT has more VRAM),but Starfield Premium is worth $100. So in the mind of AMD,they think they are undercutting Nvidia a decent amount if you add the Starfield bundle,but the issue is Nvidia is massively overpriced in the first place. Hence AMD is "less"overpriced.

Also just as the RTX4070 is the RTX4060TI,the RX7800XT is the RX7700XT.

If the RTX4060TI 16GB had been even $450,I suspect the RX7700XT 12GB might have been closer to $400. Now if Nvidia does decide to cut the RTX4060TI and RTX4070 pricing over the next week,we might see AMD forced to drop pricing somewhat more. But this seems to be what also happened with RDNA1. AMD pushed up the RX590 to the RX5700XT,because the RTX2070 was overpriced. Then Nvidia reduced some prices,and AMD did the whole jebait thing before they launch. It was the same with the RX5600XT and the RTX2060.

It sadly seems the way things have been the last few years ever since Polaris!

If Starfield is worth $100 then that makes the 7800XT $400, forget about Starfield, the 7800XT is $100 less with or without Starfield, its $100 or if you like 20% less.

 

[Joxeon]

The thing is the price should be lower but the RTX4060TI 16GB and RTX4070 12GB are $500 and $600 RRPs,with a $40 Overwatch 2 Battlepass. AMD is not only pricing their equivalents for less(and the RX7800XT has more VRAM),but Starfield Premium is worth $100. So in the mind of AMD,they think they are undercutting Nvidia a decent amount if you add the Starfield bundle,but the issue is Nvidia is massively overpriced in the first place. Hence AMD is "less"overpriced.

Also just as the RTX4070 is the RTX4060TI,the RX7800XT is the RX7700XT.

If the RTX4060TI 16GB had been even $450,I suspect the RX7700XT 12GB might have been closer to $400. Now if Nvidia does decide to cut the RTX4060TI and RTX4070 pricing over the next week,we might see AMD forced to drop pricing somewhat more. But this seems to be what also happened with RDNA1. AMD pushed up the RX590 to the RX5700XT,because the RTX2070 was overpriced. Then Nvidia reduced some prices,and AMD did the whole jebait thing before they launch. It was the same with the RX5600XT and the RTX2060.

It sadly seems the way things have been the last few years ever since Polaris!

In a parallel universe where crypto didn't exist the 4070 could have been a 4060 priced at £300, a 4070ti could have been a 4060ti for £400 and a 4080 could have been a 4070 priced at £500, not sure what AMD would have done then.

 

[uscool]

That price gap isn't big enough between the 7700XT and 7800XT

They'll probably drop the price in few months , when they get rid of 6000 stock

Even with current pricing they look good because how bad Nvidia cards are priced at , why would you buy 4060ti or 4070 over these ?

 

[Murphy]

That price gap isn't big enough between the 7700XT and 7800XT

But then it's massive between the 7800XT and 7900XT.

It would be nice to think the 7900XT will come down even further in price but that maybe wishful thinking.

 

[ALXAndy]

That price gap isn't big enough between the 7700XT and 7800XT

From what I can see it would seem like the 7700XT is the failed die version of the 7800XT. Much like the 7900XT vs the 7900XTX. They likely cost AMD the same to make.

Then again most cards are like this now. "Buy the more expensive one" written all over them. That said it seems like £50 does get you quite a bit more, so there is that.

 

[humbug]

Here we go again... how much less should it be? its 20%, 30%? 40%? 50%? before its better value than the 4070? perhaps they should be given away when you buy a copy of Starfield?

 

[humbug]

@CAT-THE-FIFTH If you're not happy.... there's always the 4070, just buy that. Please just buy that.