Someone doesn't know what they're talking about with PC cards, I've had half a dozen and they've all been great, in any case I would say these RMA numbers are so small they're not worth worrying about.
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Any news on 7800 xt?
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Someone doesn't know what they're talking about with PC cards, I've had half a dozen and they've all been great, in any case I would say these RMA numbers are so small they're not worth worrying about.
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I think it is important to note that both cards use the same die. The 7700XT is just partly deactivated (the same situation for 7900XT vs. XTX). Rumors are that the yields are quite good, so they might simply not have too many partly defective N32 chips yet. Sure, there is an upselling aspect, but AMD will also hesitate to artificially deactivate perfectly fine chips they could sell in the 7800XT. Prices of the 7700XT will inevitably drop once they have enough partly defective chips to sell. This is just a function of supply and demand.
RMA comes down to the support, not the numbers. Last I heard Sapphire warranty was entirely dealt with my OcUK, which is great if still true.
Personally, I’d avoid any company which RMA centre is anywhere other than the UK. Unless they send you a replacement before you send the failed unit back (very rare).
Personally, I’d avoid any company which RMA centre is anywhere other than the UK. Unless they send you a replacement before you send the failed unit back (very rare).
Give it a month or two and it'll be down to £400 and by early next year it'll be going for £350 and be one of the best bang for buck GPUs on the market.
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Yep, exactly where the 6700XT is now, plenty of grunt at 1440p, and you have your 12GB for £300.
Gibbo said they don't do end-user RMA in this post:
Sapphire RMA Query - No Manufacturers Warranty?
Hi, Was just wondering if anyone had experienced the following. Quick Summary: I purchased a SAPPHIRE NITRO+ RX 6900 XT in Aug 2021, after months of trying unsuccessfully to get a ref model 6800/6900xt model from AMD and the shambles of Digital River. I did not buy from overlockers but a...
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Are there any dual slot 7800xt's announced?
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So cause you've had 6 that haven't failed, that means you know more than 2 of the leading british suppliers of Powercolor and their failure/return/fault/warranty rate as suppliers in this country...
Let alone the global experiences buyers have had with the brand... Riiight
I'm pretty certain when a supplier offers a customer a cheaper more reliable brand vs a powercolor, they're looking out for their customers, and not conning them, vs trying to force the sale of a more expensive tier/brand/model... But what would 2 industry leading suppliers of UK pc components know vs someone that's had 6 cards by that brand eh!
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So cause you've had 6 that haven't failed, that means you know more than 2 of the leading british suppliers of Powercolor and their failure/return/fault/warranty rate as suppliers in this country...
Let alone the global experiences buyers have had with the brand... Riiight
I'm pretty certain when a supplier offers a customer a cheaper more reliable brand vs a powercolor, they're looking out for their customers, and not conning them, vs trying to force the sale of a more expensive tier/brand/model... But what would 2 industry leading suppliers of UK pc components know vs someone that's had 6 cards by that brand eh!
Their numbers don't matter to me, my personal experience does. I come to my own conclusions on products, not what a retailer chooses to tell me.
It's essentially a 1 in 40 failure rate even for the worse ones, this is why even buying used without warranty if I can get a good price has never really concerned me.
I'm surprised they would be willing to disclose this to anyone, tbh, I can't imagine it'd help their relationship with the brands.
Most of these cards are just the last gen with a slightly updated cooler (e.g. the RX 6600 XT coolers look identical to RX 7600), so don't know how anyone manages to muck it up
The way I see it from a sample of 1,000 cards if one manufacturer has 30 cards RMA'd and the other 15 that looks terrible as a percentage, 100% more. In the context of total sales I wouldn't be worried, very little chance to get a bad one of either brand. Now if it was 1 in 1000 or 100 in a thousand chance I might take more notice. As someone else said aftersales support if what matters. I've only ever had one motherboard, an MSI one, that had to be swapped out but that was quick and was a USB or SATA issue I think spotted and recalled before I'd even installed it.
Gibbo said they don't do end-user RMA in this post:
Sapphire RMA Query - No Manufacturers Warranty?
Hi, Was just wondering if anyone had experienced the following. Quick Summary: I purchased a SAPPHIRE NITRO+ RX 6900 XT in Aug 2021, after months of trying unsuccessfully to get a ref model 6800/6900xt model from AMD and the shambles of Digital River. I did not buy from overlockers but a...
We deal with the warranty, that customer did not buy from us and as such was not able to benefit from our top class service.
Sapphire is 3yr warranty back to OcUK, but only if you buy from OcUK.
We deal with the warranty, that customer did not buy from us and as such was not able to benefit from our top class service.
Sapphire is 3yr warranty back to OcUK, but only if you buy from OcUK.
Ah.... so that answers questions i had, thanks
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AMD confirms Radeon RX 7800/7700 XT GPUs were to use 12VHPWR connector, but the idea was dropped - VideoCardz.com
Radeon RX 7800 and 7700 might have been AMD’s first cards with 12VHPWR connectors AMD GPU Boss confirms the company wanted to use new power connector for Navi 32 GPUs Scott Herkleman, the Senior Vice President and General Manager of AMD’s Graphics Business Unit, revealed in a Club386 interview...
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AMD wanted to put 12VHPWR connectors on Radeon RX 7700 and 7800 design but later dropped it from design. So next generation Radeon RX 8000 series will certainly have 12VHPWR connectors.
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It's s poisoned chalice at this stage, although there are a bunch of big spending 4090 and 4080 buyers currently doing extensive beta testing on it as a public service!AMD confirms Radeon RX 7800/7700 XT GPUs were to use 12VHPWR connector, but the idea was dropped - VideoCardz.com
Radeon RX 7800 and 7700 might have been AMD’s first cards with 12VHPWR connectors AMD GPU Boss confirms the company wanted to use new power connector for Navi 32 GPUs Scott Herkleman, the Senior Vice President and General Manager of AMD’s Graphics Business Unit, revealed in a Club386 interview...
AMD wanted to put 12VHPWR connectors on Radeon RX 7700 and 7800 design but later dropped it from design. So next generation Radeon RX 8000 series will certainly have 12VHPWR connectors.
Same, hopefully there are decent stock levels.Fancying a Sapphire 7800xt so good to hear that about the warranty. Just need Gibbo to give us some prices
Any hint as to when they’ll appear for pre-order?
Speaking of Sapphire, this was interesting the other day.
Swiss Retailer Data Reveals GPU Brand Failure Rates: An Analysis
Graphics cards, irrespective of their models, can face failures. Digitec Galaxus AG, a Swiss online IT vendor, provided data on failure rates of various graphics card brands and the effectiveness of t...www.guru3d.com
"For AMD-exclusive AIB partners, Sapphire has the highest RMA rate of 2.5%, with XFX at 2%."
2.5% failure is still well within normal tolerance for an electronic product and anything under 2% is better than average. If it gets to 5% then you can start avoiding that product
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AMD confirms Radeon RX 7800/7700 XT GPUs were to use 12VHPWR connector, but the idea was dropped - VideoCardz.com
Radeon RX 7800 and 7700 might have been AMD’s first cards with 12VHPWR connectors AMD GPU Boss confirms the company wanted to use new power connector for Navi 32 GPUs Scott Herkleman, the Senior Vice President and General Manager of AMD’s Graphics Business Unit, revealed in a Club386 interview...
AMD wanted to put 12VHPWR connectors on Radeon RX 7700 and 7800 design but later dropped it from design. So next generation Radeon RX 8000 series will certainly have 12VHPWR connectors.
Because it's cheaper
A single 12 pin is cheaper to manufacture than 2 x 8 pins and it takes up less PCB space. It may only make the GPU like $1 or $2 cheaper to manufacture but when you sell a million GPU that's $2 million of extra profit
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