Any news on 7800 xt?

Gerard · 5 Sep 2023 at 16:27

Joxeon said:
I wonder if the stock problem is worldwide or just the UK as AMD have never really cared about the UK, I watched a MLID vid the other day where he was saying there was a tonne of stock.

And the fact there seemingly isn't just shows how accurate his info is.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 5 Sep 2023 at 16:28

GuruJockStrap said:
I think you're doing a disservice to Bob the Chancer at the local market CAT.

I don't think even they would would be as stupid as AMD.

What was AMD doing since the RX7900 series launch? They had 9 months to build up stock for Navi 32.

How can they not even have stock for a huge market like the UK?

Joxeon said:
I wonder if the stock problem is worldwide or just the UK as AMD have never really cared about the UK, I watched a MLID vid the other day where he was saying there was a tonne of stock.

It seems quite clear Nvidia does care more. Even the RTX4060TI 16GB has dropped in price now. So now we are at the mercy of Nvidia to drop the price of the RTX4070,because AMD wants to make the streetprice similar. What a crap time for PCMR.

Gerard said:
The AMD store never was sorted after brexit kicked in, why that was I've no clue. During the pandemic iirc most of their production allocation was console centric, I remember some headline about microsoft\sony asking amd to "help out" so likely that any pc stuff got put on the back burner and it went mostly to console chip production.

That's probably one reason why their market share in the gpu space is so low, that period of time amd cards were a scarcity, then you had the weekly rushes to a certain other site to try and get a hold of an FE card. It was either that or take it up the ass buying an over the top priced partner card. Around early 2020 amd gpu market share was around 30%, it sunk pretty quickly.

Had they not had those console contracts there might well have been more amd availability, but most of their eggs seemed to be in that basket.

The issue is they quite clearly couldn't give a damn about the UK. But now there is no Pandemic or Mining excuse.

So why are they having "low" stock for the UK? Why? What have they been doing for 9 months?

Joxeon · 5 Sep 2023 at 16:29

Gerard said:
And the fact there seemingly isn't just shows how accurate his info is.

His stock availability is usually pretty accurate though as he gets that info off retailers.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 5 Sep 2023 at 16:32

Joxeon said:
His stock availability is usually pretty accurate though as he gets that info off retailers.

So is AMD artificially trying to jack up pricies in Europe? Lets see what stock looks like elsewhere.

Gerard · 5 Sep 2023 at 16:33

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The issue is they quite clearly couldn't give a damn about the UK. But now there is no Pandemic or Mining excuse.

So why are they have "low" stock for the UK? Why? What have they been doing for 9 months?

You'd have to ask them that.

We don't know if the low stock is uk only or globally. According to gibbo its basically a paper launch for a week before stock comes in.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 5 Sep 2023 at 16:36

Gerard said:
You'd have to ask them that.

We don't know if the low stock is uk only or globally. According to gibbo its basically a paper launch for a week before stock comes in.

Its been 10 months since the RX7900 series launched? So how do they have magical "low stock" after 10 months?

So what happens after that pre-order batch comes in? Low stock goes to no stock then?

What about all the other retailers then? If they can barely supply a specialist retailer like OcUK,what about large retailers such the Rainforest site,etc.

Gerard · 5 Sep 2023 at 16:39

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Its been 10 months since the RX7900 series launched? So how do they have magical "low stock" after 10 months?

So what happens after that pre-order batch comes in? Low stock goes to no stock then?

What about all the other retailers then? If they can barely supply a specialist retailer like OcUK,what about large retailers such the Rainforest site,etc.

Last I checked I'm not Mystic Meg, so you're asking the wrong person these questions. The retailers presumably know how much they're getting, try asking them.

decto · 5 Sep 2023 at 16:39

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Yet Nvidia can launch at the RRPs fine,and doesn't appear to even have a UK pricing tax either.

So basically they are doing a fake RRP then. So wait months to essentially get a RTX4070 16GB for the same street price,with the same rasterised performance,worse RT,worse "value added features",worse power consumption,larger physical cards,etc. I wonder if the actual streetprice of most RX7700XT cards will be well over £450? Or is the RRP,only from one retailer,at one specific time,if you look in the right direction and hopefully in a few weeks you might get a card?

They repeatedly overprice everything. RX7900XT was overpriced,Zen4 was overpriced,their AM5 motherboards are overpriced,etc. Then invariably the price starts collapsing after that as the stock stays on the shelves. But by then the games promo will be over,and Nvidia might just include one so they will probably not be better value even then.

So why was there a delay for this GPU for nearly six months? If they wanted to price it like an RTX4070,then they should have launched it at the same time then?

If they actually priced stuff well and made sure they stopped playing games with pricing like this,they would get more sales.

No wonder their marketshare is under 20% on desktop. But We ArE nOt ThE bUdGeT bRaNd right?

Early adopter tax

Will be a better deal Black Friday.....

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 5 Sep 2023 at 16:41

Gerard said:
Last I checked I'm not Mystic Meg, so you're asking the wrong person these questions. The retailers presumably know how much they're getting, try asking them.

If they can barely supply OcUK who is meant to be a close partner with these companies,then its quite clear what will happen with the other retailers.

To have a paper launch nearly 10 months after the RX7900 series launched is a joke.

decto said:
Early adopter tax

Will be a better deal Black Friday.....

Then they will probably won't bundle the game,so you end up paying the same price in the end. So that is 7 months after the RTX4070 launched.

Basically we are relying on Nvidia to drop the pricing of AMD cards! :cry:

Joxeon · 5 Sep 2023 at 16:42

LumpyVR said:
Could well be. But I wonder how long the Starfield offer is available? As that's worth about £50 if you were buying it anyway like I suspect a lot are...

If you’re paying £50 over the msrp for these then you are just buying starfield at the full price anyway.

Jono8 · 5 Sep 2023 at 16:44

RavenXXX2 said:
Leaked benchmarks.

Official AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT & RX 7700 XT gaming and synthetic benchmark leaked ahead of launch - VideoCardz.com

Radeon RX 7800 XT is 0.5% faster than GeForce RTX 4070, according to AMD’s own gaming tests with ray tracing Performance leak right before AMD launches its Radeon RX 7000 GPUs. HDTecnologia recently shared AMD’s official data regarding the upcoming RX 7800 XT and RX 7700 XT graphics cards set to...

videocardz.com

Radeon RX 7800 XT 16GB vs. RTX 4070 12GB

RASTER: +6.9%

RT: -11.6%

AVG: +0.5%

Radeon RX 7700 XT 12G vs. RTX 4060 Ti 16GB

RASTER: +15.9%

RT: -5.4%

AVG: +8.5

Fairly dull launch once more then.

Got to admit, i wasnt expecting anything that exciting from these cards.

decto · 5 Sep 2023 at 16:46

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Its been 10 months since the RX7900 series launched? So how do they have magical "low stock" after 10 months?

So what happens after that pre-order batch comes in? Low stock goes to no stock then?

What about all the other retailers then? If they can barely supply a specialist retailer like OcUK,what about large retailers such the Rainforest site,etc.

Market manipulation, create hype, create a scarcity then discount the volume you could have sold at the start of the next gen.

I think they got marketing advice from Elon. Should have a FSD Cybertruck and a Mars Colony before we get FSR3

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 5 Sep 2023 at 16:52

decto said:
Market manipulation, create hype, create a scarcity then discount the volume you could have sold at the start of the next gen.

I think they got marketing advice from Elon. Should have a FSD Cybertruck and a Mars Colony before we get FSR3

Their mindshare is down the drain in graphics. If they tried this same nonsense with Zen,Intel would have thrashed them.

Nvidia is giving a wide open door for them to walk through,and they are walking into the wall instead. Its almost like self sabotage!

decto · 5 Sep 2023 at 17:00

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Their mindshare is down the drain in graphics. If they tried this same nonsense with Zen,Intel would have thrashed them.

Nvidia is giving a wide open door for them to walk through,and they are walking into the wall instead. Its almost like self sabotage!

Exactly, if you claim to be 'for gamers' keep the promise, launch with volume at MSRP and deliver the features.

Ironic that they sponsored Starfield which is a massive resource hog, slow on Zen and only playable for most gamers with upscaling. Hold the phone 2013 wants it's frame rates back.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 5 Sep 2023 at 17:08

decto said:
Exactly, if you claim to be 'for gamers' keep the promise, launch with volume at MSRP and deliver the features.

Ironic that they sponsored Starfield which is a massive resource hog, slow on Zen and only playable for most gamers with upscaling. Hold the phone 2013 wants it's frame rates back.

Just launch at the RRP with decent stock from OcUK,Rainforest site,etc from Day One. That would be enough but apparently,at least in the UK,that is a bridge too far. Will see how it goes over the next few weeks.

Murphy · 5 Sep 2023 at 17:22

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Nvidia is giving a wide open door for them to walk through,and they are walking into the wall instead. Its almost like self sabotage!

What you talking about, walking into a wall would be an improvement, they have to master walking without tripping over themselves first.

MyBrainz · 5 Sep 2023 at 18:04

Bundling Starfield with 6000 series cards, when these 7000 cards are available they just happen to run out of copies of Starfield.. accidently done on purpose to get rid of the previous gen? :eek:

Seems like they're trying EVERYTHING

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 5 Sep 2023 at 18:15

MyBrainz said:
Bundling Starfield with 6000 series cards, when these 7000 cards are available they just happen to run out of copies of Starfield.. accidently done on purpose to get rid of the previous gen?

Seems like they're trying EVERYTHING

They ran out?

MyBrainz · 5 Sep 2023 at 18:25

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
They ran out?

Delay the 7000 cards so people scoop up the free game with a 6000 card then they will purposely run out of copies for the 7000 cards

Just another shady tactic that i wouldnt put past them lol

Gerard · 5 Sep 2023 at 18:31

MyBrainz said:
Delay the 7000 cards so people scoop up the free game with a 6000 card then they will purposely run out of copies for the 7000 cards

Just another shady tactic that i wouldnt put past them lol

Considering the state of the game running like a dog, it's likely better off to hold for patches anyway.