Any religious people watch the Wonders of Life last night?

How do we know that?
As long you mean that in a literal sense fairly simply, he created day and night before he created the sky and stars. Pretty difficult to have a day and night with out a sun. Also the fossil record shows a difference in time between plants and animals considerably longer than a day. This doesn't disprove the creator but just show can't be as writeen.



That is crazy. It's wrong to teach religion in schools past basic knowledge and understanding.

I have a lot of respect for you in saying that. As far as I believe secularism is the only way to keep society fair when there so much clashing between religions.
 
You should have a lot of evidence to prove this then, no?. You will never observe natural selection or mutations evolve one species into another of a higher order,

What a pointless thing to say, of course I wont, it takes millions of years however there is plenty of evidence to show small mutations/natural selection on a bacterial level. MRSA is just one example that's already been given.

this type of evolution is outside of the scientific method, evolution is assumed to have happened there is no real scientific method of observation that supports this.

Not sure what you mean by "this type of evolution"? There's only one type. :confused:

You seem to be saying that because we'll never have a dog giving birth to a rabbit or something equally is implausible, it debunks the whole theory of evolution. In actual fact you're simply misunderstanding it.

Speciation doesn't happen overnight - it's the result of millions of years of tiny imperceptible changes which over time add up.

I'll repost the analogy I used earlier, since it illustrates this perfectly:

You've got 2 lines sheets of paper, each 1km long, you mix up some paint, 1,000,000ml red paint.

Paint the first mm of each sheet of paper red.

Then you mix up some more paint - for the first sheet of paper you mix 999,999ml red, 1ml yellow, and paint the next mm, make some more paint, 999,998ml red, 2ml yellow. Paint the next mm. keep repeating this until you get to 0ml red paint, 1,000,000ml yellow paint.

On the second sheet of paper, instead of yellow paint, you use blue.

Now if you look back over your sheets of paper, you'll see that actually there aren't any "big changes", but it's undeniable that one end of the paper is red, and the other end is yellow/blue.

Of course if you look just at the start and end of the paper, you could easily mistakenly believe that a "big change" has taken place.

Replace red with a common ancestor, blue with a cat and yellow with a dog it's a perfect illustration of how evolution takes place.
 
You should have a lot of evidence to prove this then, no?. You will never observe natural selection or mutations evolve one species into another of a higher order, this type of evolution is outside of the scientific method, evolution is assumed to have happened there is no real scientific method of observation that supports this.

Utter ****** tbh, next time you are in a hospital make sure you get infected with the latest anti-biotic resistant super bug and let's see how well penicillin works out for you. When your life is on the line because you refuse to aknowledge to fact of evolution I am pretty sure you will accept that bacteria have evolved and will demand modern medicine.


You want speciation, well the entire fossil is try and genetic evidence from the entire animal kingdom is evidence enough. Or you can keep your head in the sand. Consider even the Catholic Church have accepted that evolution is a valid and correct fact of the universe and that humans are a byproduct of that evolutionary process. You are directly going against the word of the Pope and Vatican.
 
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I'll reply to you even though you're just being an ass.

It's not a literal snake in the Bible. It has legs and it's hinted that Eve had sex or did something sexual with it.

It wasn't an apple that they ate from the Tree of Knowledge. That's how ignorant of the actual story you are.

That doesn't disprove God in any way. God tells Adam and Eve to replenish the earth, there WAS something here before us.

As I said in an earlier post, I think Genesis has time skips that aren't mentioned. IMO it's Creation [Timeskip] Garden & Adam [Timeskip] Eve.

I'll never understand why people think it has to be Science Vs God. It's just stupidity, if you don't want to believe in God then don't, it doesn't make a difference to me or anyone else.

Like I said, you are literally making things up now based upon the ideology provided by a ficticios source. That's why its impossible to debate with a religious.
 
Utter ****** tbh, next time you are in a hospital make sure you get infected with the latest anti-biotic resistant super bug and let's see how well penicillin works out for you. When your life is on the line because you refuse to aknowledge to fact of evolution I am pretty sure you will accept that bacteria have evolved and will demand modern medicine.

I feel this is an appropriate quote ;)

“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” ― Neil deGrasse Tyson
 
As long you mean that in a literal sense fairly simply, he created day and night before he created the sky and stars. Pretty difficult to have a day and night with out a sun. Also the fossil record shows a difference in time between plants and animals considerably longer than a day. This doesn't disprove the creator but just show can't be as writeen.

But he first created light and the Earth was already rotating. As long as a source of light comes from one direction and the earth is rotating then day/night is there.
I think it's also mentioned after so that someone cannot say that the Sun was the creator of Earth.

In Revelation it tells us the Sun will not be needed as God will light the "Heavenly City" himself.

I have a lot of respect for you in saying that. As far as I believe secularism is the only way to keep society fair when there so much clashing between religions.

To understand and learn all the major religions you'd need to get rid of most of the curriculum. Then comes all the contradictions and spiritual understanding.
Kids in school aren't mature enough to try and understand a different point of view without them thinking they're being told to believe something they may not.

Like I said, you are literally making things up now based upon the ideology provided by a ficticios source. That's why its impossible to debate with a religious.

If you wish to believe it's fictitious then go ahead. Unless you live a sad life there's no need to have a debate. I'm here to help you understand, not believe.

I feel this is an appropriate quote ;)

“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” ― Neil deGrasse Tyson

Problem is that a lot of people believe in the big bang even though it's a theory.

I will never understand why people have to argue against evolution. I don't believe cells can mutate into an animal but I believe in natural selection.
 
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The best answer/analogy I've heard in response to people who make the utterly flawed argument that since there are still some gaps in Evolution theory (no matter how small) then the whole theory is unreliable and Genesis could still be right, is this...

"Imagine you have a 1000 piece Jigsaw, but you only have 900 of the pieces. You put them together and you can clearly see the picture on the jigsaw is of the Eiffel Tower. There's some missing pieces, you may be missing the odd bird in the sky or some other insignificant part of the background which you don't know because you don't have the last 100 pieces but it's obviously a scene of the Eiffel tower.

Now, if you find those 100 pieces, it's still going to a picture of the Eiffel Tower, just with a bit more details in a few places, it's not suddenly going to change into a picture of Niagara Falls"


And that is an analogous way of describing where we are with evolution. We have enough of the pieces to know it's true and any missing bits aren't ever going to change the overall picture but only add more details to the one we have.
 
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But he first created light and the Earth was already rotating. As long as a source of light comes from one direction and the earth is rotating then day/night is there.
I think it's also mentioned after so that someone cannot say that the Sun was the creator of Earth.

In Revelation it tells us the Sun will not be needed as God will light the "Heavenly City" himself.
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"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."
From http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-Chapter-1/


I'd imagine that the sticking point here is going to be how you interpret without form and void. To me that means there was no earth and if there was its hard to tell if its spinning if it has no form (infact if people want to interpret it as simply as possible it mention a few lines down that the earth created on day 3, though again people could say by earth they meant land). Also it says the moon and sun were created after the earth, while mistakes can happen with radio dating, they have shown the earth and moon to be about the same age.

Sorry just needed to clarify a point
 
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Then explain conception?

Conception and expecting cells to evolve over millions of years into an animal is completely different.

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."
From http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-Chapter-1/


I'd imagine that the sticking point here is going to be how you interpret without form and void. To me that means there was no earth and if there was its hard to tell if its spinning if it has no form (infact if people want to interpret it as simply as possible it mention a few lines down that its created on day 3).

Heaven and Earth were created as one in the beginning so I think it was probably God creating the light.
 
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You cant.

We know for a fact that the only place you can make gold is in stars, all gold you find on earth could only have come from the sun.

This implies that the sun must have been there first, if the sun came after the earth we wouldn't have gold deposits embedded deep in the earths geology.
 
Heaven and Earth were created as one in the beginning so I think it was probably God creating the light.

"7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so."

While the first line is "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." I believe thats meant in a general sense as other wise he creates heaven twice.
 
Unable to respond? Don't make me laugh kid. I've gone up in debates against far greater intelligent atheists than you at uni.

Why would I bother debating with a narrow-minded fool like yourself?

Unless I missed your answer to my previous question, I am really interested in what Denomination you are, if indeed you are even a Christian?
 
It takes more faith to be an atheist than a theist. You see, no one has ever witnessed evolution happening. When evolutionists say they have witnessed evolution, what they mean is that they've seen micro-evolution. They certainly have not seen macro-evolution happening. Still, the evolutionists maintain that enough of these small changes and you'll eventually get a new specie. And you want to tell me that doesn't take faith? It's absurd to ever think that random mutations can create new information. How can a process which has no direction or purpose write new information? It can't!

So, evolutionists tell us macro-evolution is happening today, whilst at the same time admitting they can't see it happening. Oh the irony! The reason they can't see it happening is because it simply doesn't happen. New genetic information does not just randomly arise.

Moving on, the second law of thermodynamics proves that organization cannot flow from chaos. Which is what evolutionists claim when species change and become new species. Either the second law of thermodynamics is wrong or evolution is wrong. Which is it?

And finally, how do evolutionists explain the locked chromosome count? One male from one specie and cannot mate with another female from another specie. This proves that man cannot share a common ancestor with the monkeys. Neither can any other specie evolve into another specie.

Evolution is false. Case closed.
 
It takes more faith to be an atheist than a theist. You see, no one has ever witnessed evolution happening. When evolutionists say they have witnessed evolution, what they mean is that they've seen micro-evolution. They certainly have not seen macro-evolution happening. Still, the evolutionists maintain that enough of these small changes and you'll eventually get a new specie. And you want to tell me that doesn't take faith? It's absurd to ever think that random mutations can create new information. How can a process which has no direction or purpose write new information? It can't!

So, evolutionists tell us macro-evolution is happening today, whilst at the same time admitting they can't see it happening. Oh the irony! The reason they can't see it happening is because it simply doesn't happen. New genetic information does not just randomly arise.

Moving on, the second law of thermodynamics proves that organization cannot flow from chaos. Which is what evolutionists claim when species change and become new species. Either the second law of thermodynamics is wrong or evolution is wrong. Which is it?

And finally, how do evolutionists explain the locked chromosome count? One male from one specie and cannot mate with another female from another specie. This proves that man cannot share a common ancestor with the monkeys. Neither can any other specie evolve into another specie.

Evolution is false. Case closed.

I.. what... Seriously, I don't even know where to start with this?! :confused::confused:
 
"7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so."

While the first line is "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." I believe thats meant in a general sense as other wise he creates heaven twice.

There are 4 Kingdoms described in the Bible. Heaven and Earth were together at one point as far as my knowledge goes.

Evolution exists. I disagree it happens as far as cells becoming animals though.

Jason2 - You are clueless, as a cat breeder I know different species can mate with eachother to create offspring. (Bengals & Savannahs), what one cannot do is mate different Genus's

I agree with Scrutinize, we'll just keep butting heads.
 
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