Any religious people watch the Wonders of Life last night?

Markopolo said:
Biologists, as far as I know, do not differentiate between "micro" and "macro" evolution as you put it.

Here are a few examples of creatures that have been observed undergoing "macro" evolution:

Peppered Moth -
This organism has changed colour in response to the changing environment in the UK

Medium Ground Finch -
This bird in the Galapagos has evolved a longer beak in response to new competition.


So you accept that evolution occurs in microorganisms as it has been observed. Now you also know that evolution has been observed in larger organisms. GL.

I watched Wonders of Life and quite enjoyed it. Looking forward to the next installment.
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But they're still birds and they're still moths, are they not?

"Reproduce after its own kind"
 
mcast said:
Right let's not bash the religious posters again, I genuinely feel sorry for them.
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I simply won't contribute my thoughts to these threads as the bare faced aggression of the atheists on this board makes me feel sorry that in there world that is all they have to look forward to.

I have my beliefs and fortunately I don't feel compelled to justify them for they are mine.
 
Jason2 said:
Oh my goodness! You are explaining micro-evolution once again. Are you just unable comprehend the difference between micro and macro evolution? Or are you just ignorant?

No matter how many times you breed a dog you will still get a dog at the end. No matter how many times you breed a human you will still get a human at the end. And so on...
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not true at all.
 
a1ex2001 said:
I simply won't contribute my thoughts to these threads as the bare faced aggression of the atheists on this board makes me feel sorry that in there world that is all they have to look forward to.

I have my beliefs and fortunately I don't feel compelled to justify them for they are mine.
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Then why are you on a discussion forum if you're not willing to discuss? :confused:

Or do you simply have nothing else to do? I'm guessing you can only pray a certain amount of times a day before it gets boring.

And as for the 'bare faced aggression', it's not nice is it? Maybe a few thousand of years will make you see the other side.
 
Jason2 said:
No, no and no. It is by grace we are saved, not good works, so that no one may boast. As it is written: "By the deeds of the law no flesh shall be justified in his sight"

As for people getting smarter, is that a joke? Or you being serious?
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You have misread/misunderstood my point.

Anyway, people are getting smarter intellectually. Knowledge is spawning off into subset of skills whereas in the past this would not be the case as the subset didn't exist like it does today (and ever growing).

The situation is that the not so smart are publicised in the media more (reality TV) and they make themselves known more via the Internet.
 
Jason2 said:
So would you like to show me where a dog has turned into a complete new creature?
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not enough time has past for such large mutations to occur - just because something doesn't happen before your eyes or in a few hundred or thousand years doesn't mean it will never happen given a much larger time frame i.e. millions of years.
the principal of mutation driven evolution has been shown to exist - to extrapolate it over a larger time frame is logical.
 
Jason2 said:
The funny thing is, many of these so called atheists wouldn't dare to insult me in person.
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Why not? As a Christian, you are duty bound to be forgiving and nice are you not? Threatening people (which is the implied message above) isn't very Christian is it?

Besides, you are all over the place on this argument. Firstly you stated you said evolution didn't exist at all. Then you implied that actually you do 'believe' in evolution but only in the sense of mild adaptions animals can make over their lifetimes. Now you are seemingly accepting that lions and tigers probably do have the same ancestor but only because they are the same species.

So you've gone from accepting nothing evolution says, to accepting pretty much all of it with the exception of different species having a shared ancestor.

I'm not sure whether you are contradicting yourself, or actually slowly learning.
 
estebanrey said:
Why not? As a Christian, you are duty bound to be forgiving and nice are you not? Threatening people (which is the implied message above) isn't very Christian is it?

Besides, you are all over the place on this argument. Firstly you stated you said evolution didn't exist at all. Then you implied that actually you do 'believe' in evolution but only in the sense of mild adaptions animals can make over their lifetimes. Now you are seemingly accepting that lions and tigers probably do have the same ancestor but only because they are the same species.

So you've gone from accepting nothing evolution says, to accepting pretty much all of it with the exception of different species having a shared ancestor.

I'm not sure whether you are contradicting yourself, or actually slowly learning.
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I agree adaptions do happen. I am simply saying the big chances (macro) do not happen.

And for the record, I've threatened no one. I am merely stating that these keyboard warriors wouldn't insult me in person, thus proving themselves to be cowards. If you wouldn't say something in person to someone then you shouldn't say it on 'net., either.
 
Jason2 said:
So would you like to show me where a dog has turned into a complete new creature?
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So do you believe that dogs and wolves are the same species?

Also, you do realise that it takes hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years?

Jason2 said:
I agree adaptions do happen. I am simply saying the big chances (macro) do not happen.
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There's no such thing as a big change in evolution. The "macro" evolution everyone is talking about is simply millions of almost unnoticeable changes taking place over millions of years.

Of course if you take 2 snapshots of this - a million years ago and today, you will see a big change, because you're missing out all the tiny steps in between.
 
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Jason2 said:
That's still a dog...

And this is like saying a mixed raced person is not a human. Not very clever eh.
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Guess I needed a smiley, as you clearly though I was serious.

How can a dog change into another species, dogs have not been around long enough yet, they evolved with us. Dogs were scavenging animals that hung around human settlements. The ones that went it alone are now wolves and dingos etc.
 
good for you :)

I used to be a believer. I was raised a Christian, went to church, got married in a church and my son was christened in the same church, but in the end I was saved by common sense and reasoning. My constant questioning of things that didn't make sense almost made me an outcast with the inlaws.
Still, they are going to pray for me in the hope I am not sent to hell, which I thanked them for.

Edit: this was a response to a1ex2001 (went for lunch and didn't F5)
 
Why is it that anything religion tells its brain washed people you believe it, even when you do not have a shred of evidence to back up your claims, you really are deluded :eek:
 
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