Let's not just take JCB's word for it. I mean it isn't like they have any skin in the game with battery tech, and swapping the heads on their own very old 3.8 diesel lumps is far more cost effective for them. Also, his son runs a hydrogen firm
Are petrol stations having a laugh?
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Let's not just take JCB's word for it. I mean it isn't like they have any skin in the game with battery tech, and swapping the heads on their own very old 3.8 diesel lumps is far more cost effective for them. Also, his son runs a hydrogen firm
Oh absolutely. I just thought it was interesting, I'd only ever thought of hydrogen in terms of fuel cells, not direct combustion. It might go nowhere, but it would be nice to have a clean alternative to battery if it's more practical for say, HGVs.
Jcb load doing work and not moving compared to a nice little car. Only on the internet
You can't make a battery tractor though, it would be massive. Like Clarkson in his Lambo tractor tearing the whole field up. There has to be a better alternative.
They also need to be able to go for days none stop, over night and be easy to fix. If an EV breaks down you can't just crack out some tools and fix it.
They also need to be able to go for days none stop, over night and be easy to fix. If an EV breaks down you can't just crack out some tools and fix it.
I guess @Nasher hasn’t noticed the massive right to repair movement within the agricultural sector because of the practices of the likes of John Deere restricting the availability of parts, software and tools to fix machines outside of the dealer network.
Even the USA is considering passing right to repair legislation specifically targeting the sector.
Even the USA is considering passing right to repair legislation specifically targeting the sector.
Sure but how do you DIY repair a high voltage electric tractor in the middle of a field in the middle of the night?
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If it’s the plough coupling same as today… Likelihood of the motor system being the issue is slim. I can do Whatifs all day aswell.
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hahaha, pro EV v's No EV... an argument that will go on for years... but I know what basket my eggs will be in, and it won't have a battery lol
Everyone to their own, you want Hyrbid go Hybrid... you want EV go EV... ultimatley though one day there will be no petrol and diesel... rather than sideways moves, lets just do it properly, not something that seems to be happening for me personally. I think the one plus point for EV is it is making people think they're making a difference and thus planting the seed that one day we HAVE to change and that is a good thing. We can't continue with the tradiionally fueled cars, it's insane and I'm the ultimate petrol head... I drive a 6.1ltr for petes sake and even I realise, it's the end of the road in it's current form.
Everyone to their own, you want Hyrbid go Hybrid... you want EV go EV... ultimatley though one day there will be no petrol and diesel... rather than sideways moves, lets just do it properly, not something that seems to be happening for me personally. I think the one plus point for EV is it is making people think they're making a difference and thus planting the seed that one day we HAVE to change and that is a good thing. We can't continue with the tradiionally fueled cars, it's insane and I'm the ultimate petrol head... I drive a 6.1ltr for petes sake and even I realise, it's the end of the road in it's current form.
The same way you repair incredibly dangerous farm equipment now. With great care. You are also equating an engine with hundreds, if not thousands of moving parts with something that well just doesn't.
Lets be realistic, if the diesel engine decides to have a failure, it isn't getting repaired in a field either any time soon and that is your work done for the day with that machine.
What we really need is about 1/4 of the current global population.
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100% agree, however, that ain't happening... like I say I've had so many arguments with mates etc about EV and Hybrid etc it becomes tiresome... but you now what let people do what they want... I'll just carry on driving my Jeep until a proper solution lol
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Is it worrying that I agree with him? Maybe a logans run for wasters? Going slightly OT I do think the biggest issue for a lot of people is the ones that don't buy new cars, and spend under 10k. It will be a long time till something like that can match say a 10 year old estate on range and performance, not to mention the large amount of people without off-road parking.
Falsified emissions
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It’s petrol no doubt and meets EU4emissions as it’s not a filthy diesel with NOx emissions, to meet that you need an EU6 Diesel.
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IIRC that's partly/largely down to cost saving/choice of parts - things like using memory modules that have a shorter life span than the average car's life, and not making them easily swappable (a lot of petrol cars would have had the same issues if their manufacturers thought that cars should be like computers and replaced every 3-5 years).
From memory tesla had a choice of parts and basically chose a cheap way to do it with little or no thought to the fact that solid state memory storage has a finite lifespan, which is much shorter if it's constantly being written too. I believe the big problem they're having some some models is that the storage memory used for the cameras (including reversing/dash cam)/computer is shared so is going through constant write cycles and no way to just replace the memory so rather than it being a quick cheap replacement like swapping a memory card in your dash cam, it's an entire control model that's hidden away.
Basically it's the sort of decision you get from someone who isn't used to dealing with long life cycles for the product, or doesn't consider that cars are a bigger investment than personal computers and get run for longer. The likes of Ford and GM are unlikely to make that sort of mistake because they're already dealing with quite complex computers in their vehicles and know that the average age of a car on the road in the US is quite a bit older than 3-5 years.
While its going to happen at some point EV is going to be a uphill battle.
They are far too expensive, range is short and far too heavy, that will change in the coming years (who knows how long) with lighter/small batteries, longer range etc. Not even mentioning maintenance issues, chips dying, storage having a finite cycle, there's big issues that need to be overcome.
They are far too expensive, range is short and far too heavy, that will change in the coming years (who knows how long) with lighter/small batteries, longer range etc. Not even mentioning maintenance issues, chips dying, storage having a finite cycle, there's big issues that need to be overcome.
Next to nothing. To think otherwise shows little understanding of supply and demand.
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If ‘they’ want then you are at the risk of taxation. Look at cigarettes if you want an exhibit a. I imagine demand for tobacco in the UK has never been lower. How’s that for a supply and demand lesson…