Are you proud to be British?

D.P. · 5 Jun 2018 at 14:35

Roar87 said:
What, for pointing out I found it hilarious that immigrants in London don't feel British? As if that needed pointing out to anyone. Also, sky is blue.

That is a big assumption you are making, but that wasn't even the comment in mind

Roar87 · 5 Jun 2018 at 14:36

explicit4u said:
How did you know they were immigrants?

They were mostly Black people so likely their parents or grandparents moved here post WW2

D.P. · 5 Jun 2018 at 14:38

Roar87 said:
They were mostly Black people so likely their parents or grandparents moved here post WW2

So they are British then

Avenged7Fold · 5 Jun 2018 at 14:39

If their parents or grandparents immigrated but they were born here, that hardly makes them immigrants.

This them and us attitude i keep seeing amazes me sometimes.

Chris Wilson · 5 Jun 2018 at 14:44

D.P. said:
You mean the passports that will no longer be made it Britain?

Yep, the ones we'll be farming out to help keep the EU teetering along in our absence

Jumper118 · 5 Jun 2018 at 14:52

Chris Wilson · 5 Jun 2018 at 14:55

Avenged7Fold said:
If their parents or grandparents immigrated but they were born here, that hardly makes them immigrants.

This them and us attitude i keep seeing amazes me sometimes.

`Tis human nature, the cook in a local restaurant is knows as Uncle Bulgaria, although born in the UK, the barmaid at a pub is from Spanish parents, but born in the UK, everyone calls her the Spanish girl. My ex BA air hostess friend is UK born but from Portuguese parents, everyone calls her the Portuguese lady as her name is hard to remember. Being UK born but of Mediterranean or other appearance is still likely to have someone describe you by appearance rather than whether you are UK born or not, it's just the way it is, I don't think anyone means anything by it

chroniclard · 5 Jun 2018 at 14:59

Seems that the people who are most proud are the toerags that make everyone else not proud.

Roar87 · 5 Jun 2018 at 15:05

Avenged7Fold said:
If their parents or grandparents immigrated but they were born here, that hardly makes them immigrants.

This them and us attitude i keep seeing amazes me sometimes.

I mean they're 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants. You don't move to a country and immediately assimilate into that Nationality, that's ridiculous. If I moved to France and had kids, they'd still be raised by me, we'd most likely speak English and still enjoy English food and traditions, their children would most likely speak French and English as well, and they'd be aware they weren't "properly" French. Then their children would most likely be indistinguishable to the local population.

The problem in this country is that immigrants generally move here in large numbers, they move into the same area and basically set up a mini-version of their home country within the UK. Because of this they don't ever actually assimilate into British life. They don't feel British, so they obviously aren't proud to be British.

VincentHanna · 5 Jun 2018 at 15:18

Conversely It's probably harder for them to be proud to be British, when some xenophobic brits think they are all terrorists who should be deported, and is more than happy to let them know by shouting at them in the street.

Chris Wilson · 5 Jun 2018 at 15:26

VincentHanna said:
Conversely It's probably harder for them to be proud to be British, when some xenophobic brits think they are all terrorists who should be deported, and is more than happy to let them know by shouting at them in the street.

You exaggerate, the queues of migrants in Calais awaiting a chance to enter the UK illegally suggests things here are very much to their liking, despite your claims of them being shouted at in the streets, and all considered terrorists. The fact of the UK being such a desirable place to come to that they cross thousands of miles to get here says either you are making a sweeping statement or they plain don't mind.

chroniclard · 5 Jun 2018 at 15:28

Similar to what Brits do in ruining half of the Costa Del Sol/most migrants do then.

VincentHanna · 5 Jun 2018 at 15:41

Heh, exactly.

It's alright to have huge ex-pat communities that don't learn a word of Spanish, but immigrants here should all be forced to integrate?

Roar87 · 5 Jun 2018 at 15:44

VincentHanna said:
Heh, exactly.

It's alright to have huge ex-pat communities that don't learn a word of Spanish, but immigrants here should all be forced to integrate?

Do you actually lack critical thinking to such a degree that you think those are equivalents? People moving to the Costa-del Sol are generally people who retire there, they bring in a shed load of money into the local area and create jobs and businesses. I'm not even sure these are deliberate straw men arguments anymore, I actually think this is the level of thinking going on.

bayo000 · 5 Jun 2018 at 15:47

Chris Wilson said:
Of course I am proud to be British and English, one only has to look at the tourist numbers who flock here to enjoy our rich heritage, culture and history.

You mean all those artifacts that were stolen from other nations in the past? I do wonder how much would UK (and French etc) tourism suffer if everything was to be returned to country of origin.

Chris Wilson · 5 Jun 2018 at 15:50

chroniclard said:
Similar to what Brits do in ruining half of the Costa Del Sol/most migrants do then.

Not remotely similar, how many ex pats living on the Costa del Sol have been given free housing, free education for their kids and are on benefits?

D.P. · 5 Jun 2018 at 15:52

Roar87 said:
Do you actually lack critical thinking to such a degree that you think those are equivalents? People moving to the Costa-del Sol are generally people who retire there, they bring in a shed load of money into the local area and create jobs and businesses. I'm not even sure these are deliberate straw men arguments anymore, I actually think this is the level of thinking going on.

You have that backwards. The brits retiring to the Costa del sol are not working, are not paying taxes, are not being ;productive to the economy and have high costs due to health. The immigrants to the UK, especial form the EU, are young, more liekly to be higher educated, working, pay taxes, contribute to the countries productivity, and have very low social costs with good health on average.

Chris Wilson · 5 Jun 2018 at 15:53

bayo000 said:
You mean all those artifacts that were stolen from other nations in the past? I do wonder how much would UK (and French etc) tourism suffer if everything was to be returned to country of origin.

I really don't know how folk like you can bear to live over here, it must be utter torment and a cause of sleepless nights....

VincentHanna · 5 Jun 2018 at 16:04

Roar87 said:
Do you actually lack critical thinking to such a degree that you think those are equivalents? People moving to the Costa-del Sol are generally people who retire there, they bring in a shed load of money into the local area and create jobs and businesses. I'm not even sure these are deliberate straw men arguments anymore, I actually think this is the level of thinking going on.

Critical thinking - They are older and therefore much more likely to have ongoing health issues which need regular medical checkups/prescriptions. Due to the S1 agreement, the NHS picks up the tab for this. Therefor the Spanish contingent in 2016 cost the NHS £223 million pounds, and Brits abroad cost over half a billion.

The NHS recovered less than £50 million from other countries in the same scheme.

according to the latest figures from the Department of Health, the UK paid out £674 million to other EU countries but only received £49 million in return.

There are a range of explanations as to why there is such a big discrepancy but the main one is that there are more retired British expats living in EU countries whereas EU citizens in UK tend to be a lot younger.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/...ts/written-question/Commons/2016-02-19/27365/

V F · 5 Jun 2018 at 16:13

VincentHanna said:
Conversely It's probably harder for them to be proud to be British, when some xenophobic brits think they are all terrorists who should be deported, and is more than happy to let them know by shouting at them in the street.

This reads like it was pulled directly from the main news channels.