Assange to go!

[TW]Fox;22590547 said:
I presume you've spoken to Woman A and Woman B? Your posts seem to imply you have detailed inside knowledge of the case.
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It doesn't matter about woman A and Woman B to most. Many still believe he will tell them that the Americans have got saucers and Aliens hidden in the Nevada desert and the women are CIA plants.
 
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Ecuador already beginning to reconsider their position I suspect:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19309183

President Correa said: "We've never said that Julian Assange shouldn't answer to the Swedish justice system nor contribute to the investigation into these supposed crimes.

"What we have always asked for is a guarantee that there won't be a second extradition to a third country as that would put at risk Mr Assange's life and freedom."
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What right Ecuador have to demand assurances over anything is questionable at best, and pretty ironic considering their human rights record. However, it would not surprise me if this is not a precursor to a politically expedient climb-down.
 
Castiel said:
Ecuador already beginning to reconsider their position I suspect:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19309183

What right Ecuador have to demand assurances over anything is questionable at best, and pretty ironic considering their human rights record. However, it would not surprise me if this is not a precursor to a politically expedient climb-down.
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Well that was their stance since day 1 of granting him asylum. Ecuador have every right to demand assurances as Assange now falls under their responsibility since they granted him asylum.
 
Xordium said:
How can they successfully prosecute him though when the very people who would give them the evidence they need a) are not that involved in it anymore b) undermined their credibility in that regard with their subsequent messages. The issue isn't that something happened but something happened without consent.

I think desperate people do desperate things though and people who are under a lot of pressure get very desperate. He has completely undermined whatever credibility he had and it is pretty hard to find people sticking up for him now bar on the likes of these forums. The is also a presumption being made that he is thinking rationally - his actions for quite some time now have indicated everything to the opposite though - that he is not acting rationally.

Same question I asked Castiel then to you:

'do you think the USA will make any attempt to pursue charges against Assange under the Espionage Act (1917) for his involvement in the release and subsequent dissemination of classified material provided to him by Manning?'
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I think they must be at the very least considering it, because it would be completely illogical to assume they were not. They must have thought about it, they have Manning, it is clear who he 'conspired' with and who he passed the material to. Clearly there is an ongoing consideration about bringing an indictment in the case of the person who may or may not be connected to Wikileaks from Cambridge (US).

But I do think if they felt they really had enough they would have given up the death penalty option (which they would also have to do to extradite him from Sweden) and go for getting him from the UK.

And I don't think they (well the reasoned ones, naturally in the GOP at least there are enough nuts to satisfy every fruit n nut addict the world over so lets take Palin off the table for a moment!) see Assange on the same level as, say, Bin Laden. I think if they were to pursue him they would consider taking the death penalty off the table to have him in the US. In practice even if they went for the death sentence it would probably be commuted so they have every reason to take it off the table to have him extradited.

That it itself suggests to me they don't want him that much. Do I think they will try at some point in the future..yes, possibly. I think the more time passes the less likely it is.

Do I think they conspired to trump up charges in Sweden to make it easier, no, if only because it actually makes it harder.
 
[TW]Fox;22590450 said:
This is more than merely an accusation though. The facts place him there at the time of the alleged offence, there is an admission that at least some sexual activity occured, etc etc.

So in the above example, if some random person reported you for a crime in a country you were not even in, then no, it wouldn't result in your extradition. But if there was a heck of a lot more to it, then it may well do.
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This is first time I have heard of such an incident leading to a deportation. If a girl goes out in london and gets "date raped" by someone who is on holiday from sweden (what could otherwise be considered consenual) ie the girl was not drugged or dragged in to an alley with a knife, they knew each other and had pleasant social interactions leading up to the incident. Then goes to the british police with the story, do you think that the british police would do anything about that. Would they contact the swedish police and government and get the person deported? Do you know of any such incidents like this before? This is a genuine question.

What it looks like to me is that if assange had nothing to do with wikileaks there would be no issues with swedish police or any police. As there are no charges and the victims did not persist. It is therefore just an excuse, that will attack him publicly, due to his other activity.
 
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I dont understand this whole thing.

So Ecuador gives this guy refuge. How will they get him to Ecuador?

As soon as he sets one toe out of that building they'll send the London SWAT down on that place and get him on a tubeliner to Sweden.

Or..can they stop a diplomatic convoy? If they do go in and get him...that will change EVERYTHING. The fun will start when an Ecuadorian scoots into UK embassy in Quito.
 
I have read on here that the two women involved in the allegations have stopped cooperating with the Swedish authorities. Without questioning this belief, does anyone have a credible source :confused:
 
KatanaDV20 said:
I dont understand this whole thing.

So Ecuador gives this guy refuge. How will they get him to Ecuador?

As soon as he sets one toe out of that building they'll send the London SWAT down on that place and get him on a tubeliner to Sweden.

Or..can they stop a diplomatic convoy? If they do go in and get him...that will change EVERYTHING. The fun will start when an Ecuadorian scoots into UK embassy in Quito.
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http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=22590880&postcount=647
 
ubersonic said:
Lmao, first you say my facts are wrong then you post that nonsense XD, where did you find that rubbish lol.
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That "nonsense" is from the European Arrest Warrant.

ubersonic said:
Lets see, does it tie in with his version of events? no. Does it tie in with women A's version of events? no, does it tie in with Women B's version of events? no.
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Oh right. I see. If person A's version of events doesn't tie up with person B's, then person B doesn't have a case to answer for, and should not bother submitting to questioning to clear things up. Yes, that makes perfect sense.

groen said:
It is called trumped up charges the woman were probabl working for the western intelligence establishment from the start and have merely agreed to try and set assange up.
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Citation needed, looks like fantasy/conspiracy theorist nonsense

groen said:
I saw a video of one of the woman who actually seemed rather unaffected by the incident and from my opinion appeared to be used by the prosecutor without her even been happy about it.
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What?

groen said:
So in other words they got people to interact with assange and then they used this interaction as a mechanism to try and get him in to a situation where they can attack his character and ultimately where they can get him in to the states where we all know he will be locked in a cage next to manning.
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This is quite a fantasy you have come up with in your head, but I still don't see how this leads to the conclusion "... so he shouldn't answer any questions over it"

groen said:
Such an abuse of the legal system,
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I quite agree! Quite how his defence have been able to string this whole thing out for so long is beyond me!

groen said:
that it realy does bring the legal corruption that we see in todays society by the state and the intelligence establishment in to the light of day.
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Oh.

I find the sad thing is that someone like Bradley Manning, who appears to be suffering real injustice, has been completely ignored whilst Assange's idiot supporters try to drum up support for a man who clearly doesn't deserve it. Pathetic.
 
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