Assange to go!

oli collett said:
Oh right. I see. If person A's version of events doesn't tie up with person B's, then person B doesn't have a case to answer for, and should not bother submitting to questioning to clear things up. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
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Person B did submit for questioning, then later when he was in a different country (after being refused to stay in Sweden) and the case reopened he was demanded to return for questioning against which point he offered to go to the Swedish embassy to once again be questioned, sounds quite reasonable to me.


oli collett said:
What?
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I think he was making reference to the fact that the alleged victims in this case couldn't care less and one has actually voiced support for Assenge/Wikileaks being annoyed that the prosecutor was going foreword with a case against her will supposedly in the name of getting her justice.


oli collett said:
I find the sad thing is that someone like Bradley Manning, who appears to be suffering real injustice, has been completely ignored whilst Assange's idiot supporters try to drum up support for a man who clearly doesn't deserve it. Pathetic.
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If Assenge gets to Sweden he will have it pretty much as bad as Manning, as a rule Sweden does not give bail to foreigners which means he will go to prison and be detained in solitary with access only to his lawyers (though no access to information concerning the case as that's not allowed until 2 weeks before a trial) the length of time he may be detained before being charged is pretty vague though it is capped at the length of sentence he may potentially receive from allegations against him. (the Swedish system has previously been condemned by both the EU and the USA).

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Does anyone else repeatedly find them-self typing Sweedish? damn you Tom Green!
 
I'm hoping he falls off his balcony and is snatched, would make excellent viewing :D

We could finally find out if he gets shipped to the USA from Sweden or not!
 
ubersonic said:
I think he was making reference to the fact that the alleged victims in this case couldn't care less and one has actually voiced support for Assenge/Wikileaks being annoyed that the prosecutor was going foreword with a case against her will supposedly in the name of getting her justice.
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Yet again, this conjecture and armchair psychoanalysis has nothing to do with whether or not he should answer questions

ubersonic said:
If Assenge gets to Sweden he will have it pretty much as bad as Manning, as a rule Sweden does not give bail to foreigners which means he will go to prison and be detained in solitary with access only to his lawyers (though no access to information concerning the case as that's not allowed until 2 weeks before a trial) the length of time he may be detained before being charged is pretty vague though it is capped at the length of sentence he may potentially receive from allegations against him. (the Swedish system has previously been condemned by both the EU and the USA).
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What a load of paranoid nonsense. And it still doesn't get around the fact that he has questions to answer.

[TW]Fox;22593762 said:
Do you have a source for this?
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I think the source for his opinions is www.freesaintjulianheroofthefreeworld.ec
 
[TW]Fox;22593762 said:
Do you have a source for this?
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Somewhere in the ether yes but google isn't helping much at the moment >.<, like I said some of the articles are nearly two years old now so jumbled in among all the mess. If you search for Assange and Anna Ardin you can fine her defending Wikileaks but I can't fine the quotes defending him at the moment.

Here's her tweets from the time of the offence though:

Julian wants to go to a crayfish party, anyone who has a few places available tonight electricity tomorrow? # fb

Sit out at 2 and hardly freezing with the world's coolest smartest people, it's amazing! # fb
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Does that sound like a women who has just been raped? no it sounds like a women in a short term relationship, if you look at the videos of Assange and Ardin/Wilen from the seminar they were attending together they both seem perfectly friendly/happy with him.
 
ubersonic said:
Somewhere in the ether yes
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Oh.

but google isn't helping much at the moment >.<,
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I see.

like I said some of the articles are nearly two years old now so jumbled in among all the mess.
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Thats unfortunate.

I can't fine the quotes defending him at the moment.
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Hmmm. Perhaps you should stop representing these quotes as facts then?

I've no idea whether the allegations are true or not. Thats the point in a legal system - to find the truth. It's not completed its process yet.
 
BBC news said they have removed the doors to the balcony... wtf?

Why can't they just arrest the fool already. All this diplomatic crap is just doing my head in!
 
dbmzk1 said:
BBC news said they have removed the doors to the balcony... wtf?

Why can't they just arrest the fool already. All this diplomatic crap is just doing my head in!
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Because entering the embassy would be an awful idea.
It would put embassy staff all around the world in huge danger.
 
I really hope whatever outcome this has does not involve the UK entering the embassy even if they manage to find some sort of 'legal' way to do it becuase you can guarantee the rest of the world wont see it the same way we do.
 
[TW]Fox;22593909 said:
I've no idea whether the allegations are true or not. Thats the point in a legal system - to find the truth. It's not completed its process yet.
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I find it somewhat ironic that supporters of Assange aren't too bothered about getting to the bottom of the truth when it comes to allegations made against him!
 
Even if they don't enter he will likely just spend years in those few rooms...that's prison in itself, albeit with some luxuries.
 
Do members of embassy's actually own the soil they are built on or what's the deal or do the resident country still own the soil. It's a pretty irrelevant question really, just wondering.
 
At the end of the day it's still our country. They are harbouring a potential rapist in the middle of London and they shouldn't be able to get away with it, embassy or not. Not saying we should go in as that would set a bad example and open the doors for all kind of bad, but it's so annoying!!! Ecuador should be ashamed of themselves.

jsmoke said:
Do members of embassy's actually own the soil they are built on or what's the deal or do the resident country still own the soil. It's a pretty irrelevant question really, just wondering.
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No. Well they might own it I guess, but that's no different from myself owning a house or bit of land. It's a myth that embassies are the sovereign territory of the country they are from. It's just a legal thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Diplomatic_Relations
 
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jsmoke said:
Do members of embassy's actually own the soil they are built on or what's the deal or do the resident country still own the soil. It's a pretty irrelevant question really, just wondering.
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It's not so much the soil in this case, the building the embassy in is a few stories tall but the embassy only occupy like 10 rooms, which the diplomatic jurisdiction applies. Technically he could still be in the building, but taken a wrong step into the corridor and be arrested.

But yes, as long as he is inside those spaces, he is technically, diplomatically speaking, on the soil of another country.

/i think!
 
jsmoke said:
Do members of embassy's actually own the soil they are built on or what's the deal or do the resident country still own the soil. It's a pretty irrelevant question really, just wondering.
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No...the soil remains the Soverign property of the host nation. It is a legal concept, not a physical reality.
 
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