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ATI cuts 6950 allocation

ok. Consider this. The GTX580 is what, 20-30% faster than the 5870. The 6870 has 30% less shaders yet is 5% behind the 5870. The 6970 if 1920 shaders, has 70% more shaders than the 6870. Now lets say shaders percentage = games percentage, then the 6970 is 70% more than a 6870, so about 65% more than a 5870, and about 35-45% faster than a 580. Now add in clock speeds, driver optomisations, etc ect, maybe on one game at one level, within one second we could see 65% performance increace.

now consider this. Its alll BS as we do not have the final 6970 and we don't know what the hell amd have done with it.

for all we know it could have the performance of a GTX570 instead.
 
vorticalspace said:
Come on Guys,

Unless AMD are Achieving this supposed performance increase in their sleep, is it really in their best interests to dump a card on the market that is purported to be so superior to the competition.

Firstly, they can't charge anymore for it and secondly, if the 6970 is "this" good, anything they produce on 28nm will have to be "THIS" good to sell.

I've always thought that in general, we are drip fed technology, just enough to keep us interested enough to part with our money.

Are Graphic Cards different??
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I want a rocket bike:(:o:D
 
MooMoo444 said:
I think vorticalspace meant, they should release it with only a little more performance, than the supposed "30%" gains. That way, they have more headroom to make their next generation seem so 'wow'.
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This:)

Unless the 6950/6970 have a dramatically superior architecture that is capable of great things whilst being cost efficient to manufacture, why is it in their interest to raise the bar so high?
 
MichaelM said:
I like how a few people admitted to cancelling their 580 order after Raven's post haha
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I cancelled mine due to the company charged me the full amount of the card when they can not even give me a date due in till maybe next year, They should only charge me when item is in stock and being dispatched.

Not to mention 570GTX is launched tomoz which may overclock very very well and why would i want my money sat in their bank when it's possible the 6970 gives same performance for less money and since i have to wait till after the launch of the 6900 cards launch to get my 580gtx why put all my eggs in one basket if the card was on it's way allready or they didn't charge me allready the order would still be in, So cancelation has nothing todo with ravens post just common sense not to let a company have £400 when they can't not supply you. :(:mad::(
 
vorticalspace said:
Come on Guys,

Unless AMD are Achieving this supposed performance increase in their sleep, is it really in their best interests to dump a card on the market that is purported to be so superior to the competition.

Firstly, they can't charge anymore for it and secondly, if the 6970 is "this" good, anything they produce on 28nm will have to be "THIS" good to sell.

I've always thought that in general, we are drip fed technology, just enough to keep us interested enough to part with our money.

Are Graphic Cards different??
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Yes we are all the time and at times it seams amd and nvidia are in it together but Amd need all the help they can fighting Intel and nvidia, with how much debt they have they cannot really hold back to much, maybe down clock a bit if they got a monster and bring out a 4980 type card around Easter.

I myself cannot understand if the 6970 as only 30% or 40% or so faster than 6870 so like some people have said where will that leave 6950 and what is the point when a bart about the same size as cayman would be close to it in speed (never mind a 2x bart on 1 card)why spend all that money on R&D if a bigger bart would get close to it and is a lot less money and hassle.

I understand that they went from 5 shaders to 4 to do a test run ready for 28nm but they could have done that with a test card say below 6850

My other point is 580 is really where 480 should have been last Christmas or when ever it was meant to be released, now when they started cayman they should have expected Nvidia to have something a lot better than a 580 at this point, a refresh of what 480 should have been so they would have guessed that Nvidia has not stood still for almost 12 months and they got to at least aim for that target or even beat it.

So i my eyes they were targeting a refresh of a full blown 480 not a full blown 480, just like when 28nm is ready they expect to nvidia have sometime 60% to 100% faster than a 580, if they target anything less and they could end up with another 2900.

To me it doesn't make sense Amd go to all this trouble, time and money if they could get almost the same from a larger bart as cayman

Firstly, they can't charge anymore for it and secondly, if the 6970 is "this" good, anything they produce on 28nm will have to be "THIS" good to sell.
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Going from 40nm to 28nm is a big shrink so they should be able to have something a lot faster than at 40nm
 
http://www.donanimhaber.com/ekran-k...rmansini-ve-fusion-islemcilerini-konustuk.htm

6970 will be 30%-50% quicker than 6870.
Thats an AVERAGE of 40%.

I will take her word for it more.

Extrapolating 40% on top of 6870 (73%) will give us 102% on the chart. SO were talking neck and neck with the 580 GTX. In between 580GTX and 5970 as expected.

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people also forget that nobody expected a full 512 core fermi:)

I can recall Drunkenmaster stating that there was no way Nvidia could release a "full fat fermi" due to yield/thermal issues.

Then out of the blue, up it pops.

It seemed to catch review sites, forums, everyone by surprise, possibly even AMD.

Maybe, just maybe, the 6970 is so good(relative to the 580) that AMD were left with the luxury of contemplating an actual performance downgrade(hence the delay):)

For my part, I chose to go 580(from a GTX260) and am very happy with my choice of DX11 card.
It will more than last me in terms of performance and graphically, nothing new can be brought to the table until DX12 anyway.

Having said that, we need AMD to keep Nvidia honest(and vice versa) so I will be very happy if the 6970 is a real stonker of a card, but absolutely not unhappy with my GTX580:)
 
vorticalspace said:
I think you're already insane:D
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Takes one to know one:D
All joking aside i'm not sure i can live with a single card.. I just love to have effortless power of Xfire/SLI you have that knowing in the back of your mind that anything you throw at the system it'll just plow though for the next 18 months+ :p
 
then in your words we should believe 6950 is 30% faster then 6870 and 6970 is 50 % nobody needs averages then.

edit: then it works out 6970 is 20 ~ 22 % faster then 580
 
psychas said:
then in your words we should believe 6950 is 30% faster then 6870 and 6970 is 50 % nobody needs averages then.

edit: then it works out 6970 is 20 ~ 22 % faster then 580
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You can draw your own concussions. But your maths is WAY off? Were talking rabven style. Basic GCSE level.

Look at the chart again.

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50% increase would give you 109.5%
 
vorticalspace said:
people also forget that nobody expected a full 512 core fermi:)

I can recall Drunkenmaster stating that there was no way Nvidia could release a "full fat fermi" due to yield/thermal issues.
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They couldn't release a full-fat GF100 based card, instead they needed to simplify the design and remove GPGPU fluff and possibly added extra redundancy considering the fact GF110 has less transistors, but possibly a larger die size.
 
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