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ATI cuts 6950 allocation

LOL, I love speculation arguements. People getting angry at people for things they don't genuinely know the answer to.

First.. give me the performance vs the 580... then, give me the price. That's the simple assessment.
 
I just get the feeling amd have another r300 coming our way as it was reported on fudzilla who are known to be biased towards nv that the 6970 was the new r300 ie 9700/9800. We all know around that time the 9800pro dominated the ti 4 series and then the fx5 series. All this talk about amd not bringing out a card much faster than the gtx580 is mute because imo its the perfect time to do it as amd have been all over nv for the last few years and this would be a huge blow to nv to not only have the slowest graphics card then to have the slower gpu as nv have always had the faster gpu since the 8800gtx then amd countered that with x2 cards.

Basically if amd can bring out the fastest gpu in every segment which is possible now added with the fact that nv's gpu's are much bigger and costlier to make they can really put a huge hurting on nv.
 
I'm a correct in saying AMD did not own ATI when the 9800 pro launched ? If so they have not really given us anything amazing since the 9800Pro and to be honest it's about time they did.
 
I'm a correct in saying AMD did not own ATI when the 9800 pro launched ? If so they have not really given us anything amazing since the 9800Pro and to be honest it's about time they did.

Yea because the 4870 did not completely kick nv in the balls, nvidia had to bring there prices down and the 5870 launched and dominated for 6 months. The 4870 was around £100 cheaper than the original gtx260 and was faster. Lets not forget how fast the 4850 was and at launch was around £150. The 5 series has given a lead in market share imo thats amd bringing great cards to the market and the market share lead amd has is all because they bring great products at great prices.
 
people also forget that nobody expected a full 512 core fermi:)

I can recall Drunkenmaster stating that there was no way Nvidia could release a "full fat fermi" due to yield/thermal issues.

Then out of the blue, up it pops.

Well after 15 months, and a base layer rebuild we get a 2/3 fat Fermi produced at a trickle and sold at hugely inflated prices...
 
I'm a correct in saying AMD did not own ATI when the 9800 pro launched ? If so they have not really given us anything amazing since the 9800Pro and to be honest it's about time they did.

Actually it's just a case of strategy.
Since the 2900 fiasco AMD has focussed on making small die chips that are cost effective yet efficient enough to compete with Nvidia's large dies. The cancellation of 32nm has meant AMD has had no choice but to go with a large die size which will be allot closer to Nvidia's die size since the 2900, hence why it potentially may look very good when comparing it to the competition.

I think AMD is onto a winning strategy, i.e. Make sure mid range is excellent as that's the money earner. This gives AMD the freedom to then experiment with new arch's and allows them to be able to take risks with larger die's etc which consequently allows wow'ing cards to be born.
 
Here's the specs ran with the 6970, I have been assured the results are 100% legit. Come the 13th the 580 will be shortest lived fastest GPU on the planet ever. 580 even overclocked will not touch a stock 6970. I think that's why Nvidia have rushed the 5*** cards out, they got wind of the performance AMD will soon bring to the market and are trying to make some sales and publicity before AMD clean up.

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Here's the specs ran with the 6970, I have been assured the results are 100% legit. Come the 13th the 580 will be shortest lived fastest GPU on the planet ever. 580 even overclocked will not touch a stock 6970. I think that's why Nvidia have rushed the 5*** cards out, they got wind of the performance AMD will soon bring to the market and are trying to make some sales and publicity before AMD clean up.

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You'll be going all red fanboi again! lol :D
 
I was a bit wary about capabilities of 6970 (what with delay) but the massive drop in price of 5870 (EOL or not),at the same time as talk of 6970s in transit (I even think they could launch midweek!) leads me to believe that the new cards will waste a 5870 making them unviable to sell after new cards arrive.Following from this drop I think that the new cards will be suprisingly cheap as well 250-260 for the 6970.If this wasn't the case why not sell 5870 off at 200 till stocks gone?.:)
 
people also forget that nobody expected a full 512 core fermi:)

I can recall Drunkenmaster stating that there was no way Nvidia could release a "full fat fermi" due to yield/thermal issues.

Then out of the blue, up it pops.

It seemed to catch review sites, forums, everyone by surprise, possibly even AMD.

It will more than last me in terms of performance and graphically, nothing new can be brought to the table until DX12 anyway.

What total rubbish, firstly I didn't say that, secondly it was presumed that IF they could provide it, it would be in tiny quantity, and thirdly we were talking about a GF100, show me a released 512sp GF100 and you might have a point.

Since the first respin Charlie's been saying a, I forget the name of a top layer respin, wouldn't be enough, to make real changes you need a base metal layer respin which takes a heck of a lot longer.

The 512sp Fermi didn't surprise ANYONE, what surprised people was Nvidia, out of the blue, releasing a NEW GENERATION part with new generation performance and a new generation name.

As it turns out, its only the later a new generation name for a fully enabled Fermi, delivered a full 13.5 months after they first "launched" the 512sp Fermi architecture, the only surprise there was it took them the best part of July 2009 to November 2010 to produce the chip, the first samples of "fermi" came back mid last year, and didn't work. It took them 4 attempts to get a fully yielding part.

Everyone said, including me there would be no mid life kicker(new gen, SIGNIFICANT improvement) from nvidia, most of us have been expecting the 485GTX since the 480gtx launched, though most of us expected a 8800 Ultra type few thousand GF100's, not a respin, though its not completely out the blue.

Also, don't ever use techreport as a reasonable guide to relative performance, their "round up" performance is horrific. They use a bunch of cpu limited results, and loads of resolutions that absolutely skew the results, they've removed EVERY top AMD performing benchmark and magically somehow come out with AMD results for their existing best game, Call of Juarez, that are lower than 6 months earlier and they've removed the 5970 results where they make the 480/580gtx look like a pile of overpriced crap.

Techreport are the single worst site out there at the moment, and even worse is using the all resolution round up rather than a higher end resolution, awful awful site.
 
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580 stock is dire, and prices are rocketing because of it, can they even produce it in any great quantity?

All i have ever heard was the gtx580 was a paper launch with low numbers at launch and to expect decent numbers in the new year. It looks to me that this is the case and numbers for gtx580 will be much better come january/february.
 
Here's the specs ran with the 6970, I have been assured the results are 100% legit. Come the 13th the 580 will be shortest lived fastest GPU on the planet ever. 580 even overclocked will not touch a stock 6970. I think that's why Nvidia have rushed the 5*** cards out, they got wind of the performance AMD will soon bring to the market and are trying to make some sales and publicity before AMD clean up.

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**** yeah, Raven's back in the red camp :cool:
 
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