Australian GP 2009 - Race 1/17 (NOT in HD BTW)

Bennah · 31 Mar 2009 at 07:29

arknor said:
jesus christ atleast post at what time in the video it occurs its a 6minute video ffs guess you mean at 5mins? wasted 5 minutes of my life to find that

why did they go off the track so much? especially raikonen in the last minute

Its Spa, appcreciate the race track. Its a great watch throughout

Apart from the end of course

utajoker · 31 Mar 2009 at 08:48

arknor said:
why did they go off the track so much? especially raikonen in the last minute

it was raining and they were on dry tires

Bennah said:
Apart from the end of course

that was my favorite bit

on the commentators, the only way he annoys me is when he talks really rally fast and quiet trying to fit in what he has said before the team radio message starts, or he just ignores it and says it over the radio.

Wicksta · 31 Mar 2009 at 09:09

Here's a video of the Trulli/Hamilton thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg77Zs9t6P0

I think the penalty is very harsh, the FIA had no business getting involved in that. Mclaren thought it was enough to give the place back, although you can imagine why they are so cautious when it comes to things like this.

NathanE · 31 Mar 2009 at 09:12

Wicksta said:
Here's a video of the Trulli/Hamilton thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg77Zs9t6P0

I think the penalty is very harsh, the FIA had no business getting involved in that. Mclaren thought it was enough to give the place back, although you can imagine why they are so cautious when it comes to things like this.

I think that Toyota probably got stung by McLaren's overcautiousness. But it's not their fault that the FIA went completely over the top with the penalty

Dutch Guy · 31 Mar 2009 at 09:16

NathanE said:
I think that Toyota probably got stung by McLaren's overcautiousness. But it's not their fault that the FIA went completely over the top with the penalty

Yeah, McLaren is very catious with good reasons as Spa has proven they can get a penalty for no apparent reason.

Jadds · 31 Mar 2009 at 09:26

Wicksta said:
Here's a video of the Trulli/Hamilton thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg77Zs9t6P0

In that video it looks like Vettel/Alonso slow down so as not to pass Glock?

Wicksta · 31 Mar 2009 at 09:28

Jadds said:
In that video it looks like Vettel/Alonso slow down so as not to pass Glock?

Yeah Glock did something similar to Trulli, although nowhere near as far off the track so not really that comparable.

ps3ud0 · 31 Mar 2009 at 10:16

NathanE said:
I think that Toyota probably got stung by McLaren's overcautiousness. But it's not their fault that the FIA went completely over the top with the penalty

Shock horror - McLaren International Assistance :eek:

ps3ud0

Overlag · 31 Mar 2009 at 10:27

Dutch Guy said:
Yeah, McLaren is very catious with good reasons as Spa has proven they can get a penalty for no apparent reason.

no reason???? lol

Dutch Guy · 31 Mar 2009 at 10:31

Overlag said:
no reason???? lol

That is correct, no reason.

The rule was that the place should be given back if you cut a corner which he did, it was only after Spa that the rule was changed so that you should wait an extra corner before trying to overtake again.

But lets not get into that discussion again, lol

JRS · 31 Mar 2009 at 10:34

Dutch Guy said:
But lets not get into that discussion again, lol

Indeed. Even I think the Spa penalty was a joke, and said so on multiple occasions (not that sunama noticed of course!

). Time that one was left in the past.

Pigeon · 31 Mar 2009 at 10:52

Wicksta said:
Yeah Glock did something similar to Trulli, although nowhere near as far off the track so not really that comparable.

I think they are the same really, both were right off the track and kerbs, only that Glock did not get passed. Also note on the video other people passing Vettel on the straight!

At that point were they still racing to get behind the safety car/to the line? Is that the rule in F1, I'm not sure? In the touring cars they race back to the start finish line then group behind the safety car. Or had the safety car been out a lap and they should be in a driving sensibly.

Hamilton was definitely correct to pass Trulli and continue because Trulli went off track.

I want to see Trulli passing Hamilton and how much Hamilton slowed as it sounds like Trulli had no option but to go back past. Is there a penalty for deliberately slowing down a lot?

I think the penalty is very harsh on Trulli, it should have been a place swap if anything needed changing at all. Sadly penalties are governed by strict rules in F1!

Type_R · 31 Mar 2009 at 10:57

Having listened and read both sides of the story, to me its fairly clear that Trulli should have held on to 3rd place and Mclaren fined for telling LH to slow down on the side of the road. Just like Vettel was told to continue with 3 wheels, RBR was fined, its not LH/Trullis fault if Mclaren have no idea about the rules or how to follow them!

Jadds · 31 Mar 2009 at 10:58

Pigeon said:
At that point were they still racing to get behind the safety car/to the line? Is that the rule in F1, I'm not sure?

They won't have been racing to the finish line, there's no overtaking when there's yellow flags regardless of whether they're behind the safety car. As far as I know, anyway! McLaren will have all the data showing whether Hamilton slowed down to let Trulli pass. It'll be interesting to find out.

NathanE · 31 Mar 2009 at 11:03

Type_R said:
Having listened and read both sides of the story, to me its fairly clear that Trulli should have held on to 3rd place and Mclaren fined for telling LH to slow down on the side of the road. Just like Vettel was told to continue with 3 wheels, RBR was fined, its not LH/Trullis fault if Mclaren have no idea about the rules or how to follow them!

<conspiracy>

Maybe Bernie was worried about losing the Hamilton-effect?

</conspiracy>

Pigeon · 31 Mar 2009 at 11:10

Jadds said:
They won't have been racing to the finish line, there's no overtaking when there's yellow flags regardless of whether they're behind the safety car. As far as I know, anyway! McLaren will have all the data showing whether Hamilton slowed down to let Trulli pass. It'll be interesting to find out.

In that case whoever passed Vettel in his robin reliant should get a penalty.... I think it was Alonso hmm. Even though Vettel should not of carried on at that point he was and should not of been passed under safety car conditions.

I really want to see what/how much Hamilton slowed to wave through Trulli now. It is still a really harsh penalty for a simple misunderstanding.

NathanE · 31 Mar 2009 at 11:22

Vettel clearly had a problem though so that's why Alonso couldn't and shouldn't have been punished.

Jadds · 31 Mar 2009 at 11:30

I think Vettel should have been allowed to finish, since his car wasn't damaging the track. Then the stewards/whoever could decide afterwards whether to give him a 25second penalty?

OT, isn't there a rule that within the final five laps, a driver is given a 25 second penalty rather than a drive-through? Perhaps Toyato can still appeal on these grounds.

Apparently I'm wrong, since the penalty was issued whilst the cars were on track it's still considered a drive-through.

Pigeon · 31 Mar 2009 at 11:50

NathanE said:
Vettel clearly had a problem though so that's why Alonso couldn't and shouldn't have been punished.

Yes - he was slow and Alonso went past.

Then Hamilton was slow (for no reason) and Trulli went past, Trulli got punished.

Perhaps this could be a new tactic if this situation with the situation happens again. For example if Hamilton and Massa are battling for the championship. Hamilton deliberately slows (again) and Massa goes past and gets a penalty potentially costing him points? Obviously this would never happen, but it could?

Wicksta · 31 Mar 2009 at 12:01

Type_R said:
Having listened and read both sides of the story, to me its fairly clear that Trulli should have held on to 3rd place and Mclaren fined for telling LH to slow down on the side of the road. Just like Vettel was told to continue with 3 wheels, RBR was fined, its not LH/Trullis fault if Mclaren have no idea about the rules or how to follow them!

The problem is that the rules aren't clear in situations like this. Neither Trulli nor Mclaren should have been punished in my opinion.