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Looks like McLaren have a flexy wing
That sheds downforce at high speed
http://www.formula1.com/wi/sutton/2011/dcd1202ma130jpg001.jpg
About time, took long enough!
Australian Grand Prix 2012, Albert Park Circuit - Race 1/20
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Jesus, the Lewis haters are out in force 
The Mclaren has good pace, he got beaten in to the first corner and got stuck behind 2 slower cars, while his team mate romped away in to the distance. The way some people talk is like Lewis should throw in the towel now, to save face.
Let's be realistic. Jenson has the upper hand, but it only takes 1 DNF and everything changes.
He had a solid race, should have finished second, but didn't. Largely due to Vettel approaching the pits when the SC board went up, which meant he continued at full speed to the pits, while everyone (Hamilton and co) had to slow to safety car speed.
If he can keep up his consistency, he'll maintain his chance of winning the championship. What he can't afford to do is lose his head and ram everyone off the road - circa 2011.
The Mclaren has good pace, he got beaten in to the first corner and got stuck behind 2 slower cars, while his team mate romped away in to the distance. The way some people talk is like Lewis should throw in the towel now, to save face.
Let's be realistic. Jenson has the upper hand, but it only takes 1 DNF and everything changes.
He had a solid race, should have finished second, but didn't. Largely due to Vettel approaching the pits when the SC board went up, which meant he continued at full speed to the pits, while everyone (Hamilton and co) had to slow to safety car speed.
If he can keep up his consistency, he'll maintain his chance of winning the championship. What he can't afford to do is lose his head and ram everyone off the road - circa 2011.
I think they're the same wing.
Those two shots look to be taken mid corner, where the car is going much more slowly and the wing won't be flexing as much. The picture of the flexi wing looks like it's taken on the straight where the car's going much faster.
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just a thought on the whole 'ZOMG hamilton was dropped by button' discussion. its not my opinion, but just an idea
could hamilton have been hanging back and saving his tyres in preparation for the quite likely safety car, so that he would have far better tyres than button on the restart.
this would explain why he was so far behind button despite having the pace to keep right on his gearbox if he wanted to, and why he was so miffed about the safety car coming a lap or so too late.
if you think about it, the worst that could have happened (in his eyes at the time) if that was the plan was that he trundled round and claimed second and button got the win, and the best is that the safety car came out and he was in a much better position than button on the restart
could hamilton have been hanging back and saving his tyres in preparation for the quite likely safety car, so that he would have far better tyres than button on the restart.
this would explain why he was so far behind button despite having the pace to keep right on his gearbox if he wanted to, and why he was so miffed about the safety car coming a lap or so too late.
if you think about it, the worst that could have happened (in his eyes at the time) if that was the plan was that he trundled round and claimed second and button got the win, and the best is that the safety car came out and he was in a much better position than button on the restart
Jesus, the Lewis haters are out in force
The Mclaren has good pace, he got beaten in to the first corner and got stuck behind 2 slower cars, while his team mate romped away in to the distance. The way some people talk is like Lewis should throw in the towel now, to save face.
Let's be realistic. Jenson has the upper hand, but it only takes 1 DNF and everything changes.
He had a solid race, should have finished second, but didn't. Largely due to Vettel approaching the pits when the SC board went up, which meant he continued at full speed to the pits, while everyone (Hamilton and co) had to slow to safety car speed.
If he can keep up his consistency, he'll maintain his chance of winning the championship. What he can't afford to do is lose his head and ram everyone off the road - circa 2011.
I'm an out and out massive Jenson Button fan - I named my 1 year old boy Jenson so I'll be the first in line to big him Jenson Button up.
But I agree with you. More to the point though, I think the reason why Lewis is getting so much "hate" on here is because of his attitude.
It would have been interesting to see how this thread would've evolved if Lewis had handled his misfortunes a bit better. He does come across as sulky when things don't go his way and that's just the way he is. It just iterates how much it hurts him when he doesn't win because he feels that he is capable and deep down I think he feels that he's the best driver on the grid at the moment.
When you throw away pole like that in Australia it is going to hurt, though.
Anyway it's far too early in the season for a lot of this bashing of him. Let's see how he picks himself up from this and does in the next few races.
It is going to be absolutely fascinating, the psychology off the track, and the racing on it. Very excited to see what will happen on a track which doesn't bear much resemblance at all to Australia. I think then we're really going to see who's likely to start bossing this season.
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Question: I watched the team radio video posted by Mr Men and what I want to know is when the SC came out they keep mentioning about staying positive? What are they referring to?
Jesus, the Lewis haters are out in force
The Mclaren has good pace, he got beaten in to the first corner and got stuck behind 2 slower cars, while his team mate romped away in to the distance.
Erm he was 2nd behind Jenson, and Jenson was romping away.
The drivers have to stay within a certain lap time, to stop team mates holding up the pack so the other can pit, or for going too quick around, as there will be marshals and recovery vehicles and debris on track.
They are GPS tracked which is how they work it out
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Cheers Duke
I'm excited for the next race already!
I'm excited for the next race already!
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They had Lucozade on the rear wing in the race so that must have been a testing one. Interesting if they get it to work though.
I overlooked that - good point! I've been having a look on f1technical, and that is indeed a picture from testing.
This picture is from Melbourne though, and looking closely at the endplates (especially the one on the left of the car as we look at it), you can see it's still tilting backwards at speed:
http://www.formula1.com/wi/sutton/2011/d12aus3795.jpg
Jesus, the Lewis haters are out in force
The Mclaren has good pace, he got beaten in to the first corner and got stuck behind 2 slower cars, while his team mate romped away in to the distance. The way some people talk is like Lewis should throw in the towel now, to save face.
Let's be realistic. Jenson has the upper hand, but it only takes 1 DNF and everything changes.
He had a solid race, should have finished second, but didn't. Largely due to Vettel approaching the pits when the SC board went up, which meant he continued at full speed to the pits, while everyone (Hamilton and co) had to slow to safety car speed.
If he can keep up his consistency, he'll maintain his chance of winning the championship. What he can't afford to do is lose his head and ram everyone off the road - circa 2011.
Yup JB whupped him...was 11 secs ahead of him before the first pit stop...
Lewis haters we're not, just he was made to look ordinary after being passed from the start. Honestly, I don't wanna sound like I'm a LH hater but was off colour as soon as he had the poor get away. SV was made to look pretty poor after the SC as well, 2 secs a lap lead is what he was capable of last season. He was left for dust after 4 corners...
No, he wasn't. He was 11 secs ahead after the first pit stop, he was 4.422 seconds ahead at the completion of lap 18 (which is still a pretty poor showing, frankly). Lewis's late stop with a lap of overly worn tyres, and poor track position on return to track stretched the gap to 11.
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The problem is, back in the days of old Hamilton could have beaten the best of them. These days it all seems to be about nursing your tyres. To me it looked like he sat back, looked after his tyres and waited patiently for an opportunity. Had he gone all out after Button and destroyed his tyres in the process everyone would have been having a go at him because of that. It just seems that whatever Hamilton does, the haters are gonna hate.
When I saw the first shot earlier of the supposed flexi wing I instantly saved it as a wallpaper. Mostly due to it being the only decent looking car this year. If I was going to a GP this year I wouldn't even photograph the others because I'd have no desire to display them anywhere.
Yes, for the talk of Macca not bodging strategy for once, they still did slightly. They left Jenson out 2 laps too long when he was losing 1 second per lap which then made it even worse for lewis.
Lewis will almost always have a better chance of winning because he will get more out of the car on a saturday. Both drivers had bad starts but even so Jenson had the pace at this track.
Malaysia it might swing the other way. I quite fancy a bet where Jenson and Lewis both win more races than vettel, but Vettel still wins the title.
possibly, but he is a bit like marmite isn't he? He doesn't help himself when he sulks on the podium either. However, it is true he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I still believe, as said a few times though, that Hamilton pre 2011 would have driven the wheels off the thing to catch his team mate. Overall though, I've read somewhere that his and JB's tyres were worn about the same, so he was just plain slower on the day...
It didn't help that Hamilton was unable to get past Perez after the first pit stop. It took him ages to pass him — a guy in a mid-field car on old tyres that were part of a one-stop strategy. If Hamilton had smoked Perez like he should have done, the gap to Button would never have been as wide as it was.
I just can't understand why he was so timid behind a car that was clearly a lot slower than him.
I think you're right and I'm looking forward to finding out.