Bahrain GP 2009 - Race 4/17

And how much more corner speed and grip did Barichello have when he was chasing Piquet?! There is a world of difference between those cars and it seemed that KERS was bailing little Nelson out for some time.

It was like getting a motorcycle and a car and sticking the bike in front and telling them to race. The car can't get passed as the bike is on the defensive, the car is blatantly quicker through the corners but the bike steams off on the straights. Get rid of KERS basically.
 
How CAN they stop them though ... Ferrari do NOT need FIA permission to run any car they own out on private land ... and Ferrari do own their cars.
FIA permission is needed to run the car on a 3rd party track (or rather the track needs FIA mandate to allow other parties to do that).

Simple - the FIA will see that they've been testing and impose sanctions on them.

The FIA may not be able to physically stop them from running their own cars on their own tracks, just as they couldn't stop another team from hiring a private circuit and running there, but they can and would impose sanctions and penalties on them for doing so, which is their right as the governing body of the sport.
 
< James Allen Mode >
BUTTON... WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNSSSSSSS!
< / James Allen Mode >

That never grows old!

Good to see BrawnGP & Button notch up another win but would have loved to have seen Vettel fighting him for the win. Pace between the pair of them seemed fairly close and without the help of the Trulli train im unsure if he would have taken the win or instead Vettel would have taken it. Still im happy with the result, the Brawn would appear to still be the quickest over a race distance.
 
Montezemolo having a moan again I see, blaming both the diffuser regulations and KERS for his teams' woes.

Well Red Bull have neither KERS nor the "trick" diffuser and are close to Brawn GP at the front of the field. Brawn themselves have no KERS.

Whilst he has, to some extent, accepted responsiblity by saying they were too complacent, it's this endless arrogance from Ferrari that fuels my hatred of them. They just can't accept that they're in a hole totally of their own making. Other teams have had to deal with the same regulations as they have and yet have done a far superior job. If they couldn't get their KERS working reliably, as McLaren seem to have managed, then they should have abandoned it prior to the season and introduced it later when they were happy with the reliability, as Williams are doing.

As for the diffuser, they may not have a "trick" one but then most other teams don't and are still doing fairly well and certainly better than they are. McLaren are also seriously lacking in downforce yet you don't hear them moaning about the regulations and claiming it's not their fault.

Ferrari have also moaned about how they're going to have to redesign their car significantly to factor in the new diffuser, well whose fault is that!? This suggests that, during the initial design phase, either the designers totally missed the "loophole" under which the "trick" diffusers are operating (in which case they're idiots) or (more likely) they did see it yet dismissed it out of hand without even considering that such designs could be proven legal (in which case they're arrogant and naive). Granted you can't totally hedge your bets and design a car which can accept both types of diffuser without compromising your overall design, so you have to "plump" for one design or the other but you'd think anyone with half a brain would realise there was a chance the loophole could be upheld and would thus ensure that, in such an event, the "trick" diffuser could be integrated into the car without starting from scratch. Ferrari obviously (IMO) looked at it and thought it would never, ever be proven legal and thus threw all their efforts into a design based around a conventional diffuser. ISTR that, in the run-up to the appeal court hearing, many were of the opinion that the FIA would rule in favour of the appellants simply because it couldn't possibly hand down a ruling which harmed its beloved Ferrari. Perhaps Ferrari themselves had the same thought back when they were designing their car?

Good to see you have exhausted your own moaning about Ferrari, get it all out and then have an ice-cream Kimi style ;)

In reality of course neither Ferrari nor Red Bull thought that a double decker diffuser was on the cards - hence the RBR trick pull/push rod suspension on the rear so you can't just centre blame on Ferrari for 'not thinking about it.'

If you want to hear someone really moaning perhaps we should have some words (or a lot from) Briatore - now he has a thing or two to say about why Renault are struggling.

The fact of the matter is I bet it hurts when you spend millions of $$$ on R&D and it doesn't work or worse yet is beaten by someone bending the rules.

The moaning is tedious from Ferrari and it should stop hopefully, perhaps if you pray that they get back to winning ways it will :D:D
 
Button > Hamilton + KERS :p

I think Buttons the only driver we all like (except Sunama who seems to hate his smoothness :p)

ps3ud0 :cool:

smooth drivers have never really been the fastest though johnny herbert was one of them.

senna and schumacher both constantly made corrections in corners because they were generally on the limit and needed to correct micro slides.

they were both constantly blipping the throttle aswell instead of trying to be smooth
 
I can see Ferrari having a late surge but not being able to get enough points.

Expect them to make a big improvement anyway and it going back to similar to last year with Mclaren/Ferrari being the best cars with the others having some work to do, but having a points advantage.
 
Whilst Ferrari will inevitably up there game, I'm not sure it will be enough. Mclaren and Renault are likely to make there cars quicker by the same margin, and by that point Brawn, RBR and Toyota could be significantly out of reach.

At the moment I'd say if anyone other than RBR, Brawn and Toyota will win it will be McLaren.
 
can't wait for the next race. Brawn have almsot a completely new aero pack, which they reckon is 0.6second faster :eek:. If that is true..
 
Hopefully the new brawn aero package will work, as Ross Brawn said after the race, what we have seen so far, is the limits of what the car can do, there is nothing more.. They didnt have the funding to have anything up their sleeves.

Hopefully all will come good in two weeks.
 
can't wait for the next race. Brawn have almsot a completely new aero pack, which they reckon is 0.6second faster :eek:. If that is true..

If that is true, I will be surprised, and a bit scared at the same time! If that's true the only thing I can see touching it's Barcelona pace are McLaren/Renault towards the tail end and the Red Bull post diffuser

Was a fine race today! Quite pleasant to have a straight forward good old fashioned race this time around.

It was a bit of a procession, particularly the TRU/VET/HAM party- would have liked a bit more overtaking, but overall it was good. Fine drive from Jenson; literally everything that happened worked in his favour so there was a fair old bit of luck but he ran with it and didn't drop the ball so well deserved. Another fine showing from Vettel. Was a bit disappointed by Trulli tbh, I know the harder tyre was fairly awful but I thought he had more in him than that. Decent showing from Hamilton too. Had high hopes of him getting round Trulli for a podium but it was not quite to be.
 
Was a bit disappointed by Trulli tbh, I know the harder tyre was fairly awful but I thought he had more in him than that.

I actually thought that this was one of the better showings from Trulli, as he didnt fade and at least in the 1st and 3rd stints of the race he was able to either catch the guy in front or maintain his position.

Normally, Trulli qualifies fast and then in the race, he tends to be horrendously slower than the cars around him who qualified slower than him.
 
It was like getting a motorcycle and a car and sticking the bike in front and telling them to race. The car can't get passed as the bike is on the defensive, the car is blatantly quicker through the corners but the bike steams off on the straights. Get rid of KERS basically.

or make it mandatory like it was meant to be.
 
can't wait for the next race. Brawn have almsot a completely new aero pack, which they reckon is 0.6second faster :eek:. If that is true..

I cant see it, plus it's at barcelona which is always a dull race because teams have so much information already about running on the circuit. Hopefully with the lack of testing this year Barcelona can finally chuck up a decent GP.

Personally rather than an aero package I'm just hoping now we are getting to europe Brawn can secure some decent sponsorship because they cannot do anything with next years car until they do :(
 
Certainly not as bad as glock and much of trulli's trouble was simply being on the wrong tyre for far too long. I'm not a huge fan of this mandatory tyre ruling. I'd rather they all just raced on the best tyre for them and their fuel load.
 
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