Bahrain Grand Prix 2012, Sakhir - Race 4/20

drunkenmaster said:
What would you call it, if not a tyre issue, if they run into troubles at every race because they can't perfectly set up for tyres as the Merc apparently needs to be absolutely perfectly set up to a degree more than any other car? This would be to most people the exact description of a tyre problem.
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they havent ran into trouble every race and other teams have experienced the exact same thing , go read some of the driver comments from the races we have had so far this year.
button in malaysia might tell u something.. pitted for brand new tyres only a few laps after putting tyres on because he couldnt get any heat into them at all.
alonso and perez lucked into a win because there cars were setup to work the tyres in the cold conditions.

if anything a hot race might do everyone a favour and make the tyres work as expecting rather than leaving people puzzled.

maybe thats why ferrari havent been able to understand there cars and sometimes its worked great while others its been all over the place
You mean like England a few months ago?
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since when were people beeing shot and killed on an almost daily basis in england? or since when in england have people been protesting that the gp is going ahead and petrol bombing ?
 
arknor said:
alonso and perez lucked into a win because there cars were setup to work the tyres in the cold conditions.
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Perez was 2nd though :) and it was not luck, they done the best job on the day with the car they had, conditions were the same for everyone.
 
Mr Men said:
Perez was 2nd though :) and it was not luck, they done the best job on the day with the car they had, conditions were the same for everyone.
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they still lucked into a setup that worked for the tyres while everyone else struggled to get heat into them. its not like they expected the performance they got

i think we will start to see a more normalised grid once the teams gather more temprature data on the tyres
 
arknor said:
they still lucked into a setup that worked for the tyres while everyone else struggled to get heat into them. its not like they expected the performance they got

i think we will start to see a more normalised grid once the teams gather more temprature data on the tyres
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How did they luck into the setup? setup is fixed from qualifying...so maybe they setup for the predicted wet race. No luck really not their fault others never got their setup right is it?

I don't see you claiming Merc's win as luck due to them not eating tyres like they expected to do so?
 
Whats the expected weather difference between here and China? Shame the first 2 races were partially wet so you cant compare Mercs performance to Bahrain.

Be nice to work out what makes the Mercs work at some point this season :p

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
ps3ud0 said:
Whats the expected weather difference between here and China? Shame the first 2 races were partially wet so you cant compare Mercs performance to Bahrain.

Be nice to work out what makes the Mercs work at some point this season :p

ps3ud0 :cool:
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HOT

It's a desert.
 
Mr Men said:
I don't see you claiming Merc's win as luck due to them not eating tyres like they expected to do so?
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the only people expecting them to eat tyres are the ones on this forum..

i said all along its not tyre wear that are having any problem with.

you guys buy into myths to much button is the wet weather master , hamilton crashes every race and mercedes eat tyres.
 
arknor said:
you guys buy into myths to much button is the wet weather master , hamilton crashes every race and mercedes eat tyres.
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Button does tend to do well in races which are affected by rain.
Hamilton had an unusually high number of crashes last year.

We shall find out this weekend, just how much heat affects the Merc tyres. It will be hot, so if the Merc is harsh on tyres, this will be the track that it happens on. If the Merc can make it's tyres last at Bahrain, then it should be able to make its tyres last at most race tracks.

We'll know conclusively within 4 days whether the myth is true or not.
 
DAnDan said:
They don't, at all. Some people seem to try and want to make a comparison though :confused:.
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Compared to Bahrain in 2011, of course not.

But all we have got from Bahrain recently is the odd act of petty violence. Certainly not the 'people being shot on a daily basis' some people are tying to claim.

Whats actually happening is people are trying to say that whats going on now is as bad as when the uprising started 12 months ago in order to try and make some point about it.

Show me 100,000 people marching on the capital and I will admit things are bad. But a picture of 3 guys burning a sign? No worse than the centre of any large UK city every Saturday night.

Its as if people want there to be big issues so they can shout about it.
 
arknor said:
the only people expecting them to eat tyres are the ones on this forum..

i said all along its not tyre wear that are having any problem with.

you guys buy into myths to much button is the wet weather master , hamilton crashes every race and mercedes eat tyres.
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And all the teams, and Schumacher, and Britney did you watch pre-race? MS said they had no idea if they could manage the tyres walking into the circuit LOL.

So was the Merc win down to luck in cold conditions? Where did they get race winning pace from, just like Alonso in Malaysia which you say was luck?
 
Skeeter said:
No, I'm being serious.

The whole crux of the disruption is the Shiite majority wanting better treatment from the Sunni government, yes? How does burning down a Formula 1 billboard help with that in any way at all?

By all means protest, demonstrait, get into discussions. But all the burning stuff just strikes me as mindless violence using the political situation as an excuse.

It was like all those people trying to claim the London riots were from people being "unhappy about the education system in the UK". It wasn't it was just people trashing things for a laugh.

If the race gets cancelled because someone burns down the grandstands its not going to make me thing "wow, I really support the Shiite's cause, how can I help", its going to make me things "what a bunch of thugs".
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I agree with you for once :D
 
I think they should ban it because it's usually a painfully boring event. Still the track change could make it interesting again... and it's something to watch on Sunday...
 
arknor said:
they havent ran into trouble every race and other teams have experienced the exact same thing , go read some of the driver comments from the races we have had so far this year.
button in malaysia might tell u something.. pitted for brand new tyres only a few laps after putting tyres on because he couldnt get any heat into them at all.
alonso and perez lucked into a win because there cars were setup to work the tyres in the cold conditions.
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Isn't that convenient, read driver comments about this year. Here's a hint, people think Merc chew up their tyres because for TWO YEARS, they are the first to pit and you can physically see them sliding around corners, losing grip under breaking and acceleration out of corners. While they can hold pace with some of the near front runners for the past two years, as their tyres fall off in every stint in EVERY race first, and they seem to lose more speed than anyone else when this happens, largely because of course they try to stay out longer on awful tyres because they have little other choice.... IE they need a stint to last 20 laps, their tyres go at 15, they do 5 laps being passed by ridiculously slow cars with ease, while everyone else does 20 lap stints, their tyres drop off after 19-20 laps, do one slow lap and pit.

It's not about 3 races, its about 2-3 years where the same thing happens every race.

A race here and there, boo hoo, how many races in the past 2 seasons has Button complained about the tyres AND come in after only a few laps to get a new set...... right, the difference is we can see that doesn't happen every race, we've all seen Merc struggle in every race for at least 2 years.

As for Perez, no, Perez and Kobe have a habbit of going one stop or two stop strategys for a couple years, while everyone else does 1 or 2 more stops than them. It's pretty frequently we see one of those two up in the top 5 completely out of position because they haven't stopped while everyone else has, and while going slowly, they aren't going that slowly, infact fast enough to beat lots of other cars doing more pit stops.

Alonso, is simply an exceptional driver, who yes had a huge amount of luck, helped by others having a lot of bad luck as well.

Wet races throw up all kinds of issues, not necessarily just cold tyres, if you bet on a wet race and set your car up for that completely, you can beat a MUCH faster car completely set up for dry/warm race, that's just how life goes. This is also common for a couple years where we get fluke results in the rain, using that to disprove 2 years of Merc's struggling with tyres is laughable....

Almost as laughable as Sunama spending the past 2 weeks saying Merc's improvement via double drs and better car wasn't real because in the first two races they only had 1 point between them..... basing any opinion on 2-3 races is utterly daft. People's opinion on Merc's tyres is based on one thing and one thing alone, they've been chewing them up for 2 years.
 
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