Bahrain Grand Prix 2014, Sakhir - Race 3/19

Skeeter said:
Alonso hasnt won a championship since leaving Renault, which included a year at McLaren in a car that should have. Button and Hamilton failed to make quick Mclarens win. Kimi was beaten by Massa after winning the WDC at Ferrari. And Schumacher did bugger all in the Mercedes.

Yet nobody is calling them midfield drivers?
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Mclaren lost in 2007 because they let their drivers race. Button and Hamilton Mclaren era were never as fast as the RB's. Kimi was very unlucky in 2008. I think he would have won the 2008 championship if he hadn't had so many retirements in the later part of the championship (He was leading it for half the season). Schumacher had been out of the sport for 4 years and came back into a car that was being reborn as Mercedes plus he had a few health niggles. Ferrari have been fail ever since 2009 with Alonso pushing the car up the grid.

Vettel hasn't had any real challenge for his championships apart from a brief spell in 2010, the car has been on another level. He also reminds me a lot like Massa. Can be some of the fastest drivers in world when everything is great but lack that something special to pull out of the bag when it isn't. Canada 2011 a prime example of this.

Take Sebastien Loeb. A fantastic rally driver and one of the all time greats marred by a career of no competition. In his case it was a lack of driver competition. In Vettels case it was a lack of vehicle competition.
 
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Enjoyable qualifying, predictable outcome with the top two but good for them, they deserve it.

Sad to see Ferrari not doing better, great to see DR doing so well. I expected Vettel to be poor this season but not that bad. Perez a surprise and go Bottas, really pleased for the Williams team that things are picking up.

Psycho Ned said:
Fact is I reckon if you stuck any of them in the Merc this season they'd probably rack up a ton of wins so deciding who is the best driver is a never ending argument with no right answer not that it will stop people talking about it every race ;)
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Fact is if you stuck any of them in the RBR for the last four years they would do the same. It's not about deciding who the best driver is, it's about trying to convince the Vettel Die hards that he isn't the driving god they make him out to be.
 
Some of us still maintain that if you were to put everyone in absolutely equal cars it would most likely emerge that Alonso and Hammy will be fighting for the top. Equality across the board is impossible of course, so it's a moot point. F1 will always be a team sport.
 
adam cool dude said:
Vettel hasn't had any real challenge for his championships apart from a brief spell in 2010
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2 of Vettels 4 championships were decided at the final rounds, making this statement utter rubbish.

He's had 1 and a half relatively unchallenged seasons out of 5 where he was a title contender, the rest were hard fought. But people seem to forget that and just say he cruised home for 5 years.
 
I dont like Vettel and sometimes that can cloud my opinion of his achievements, but I find genuinely it hard to believe he is not one of the best drivers on the grid.

Yes his car has been the best, but he has delivered consistent results and pole positions over the years to get where he is. If Ricciardio comes along and beats him this year, then actually all that does is raise Ricciardio's stock - I don't think it can really detract from what Vettel has achieved, but it would make me happy.

Edit: Ricciardo, Riccardio, Ricciardio, Ric. No idea.
 
If Ric does trounce Vet this year it will lower Vets stock.
As other drivers have proofed they can win in the best car, but can also drag a bad car up the grid to maximise points for the team even if they don't win. This gives the team financial benefits.

However it is very early on in the season.
 
I think that the recent RB cars have been matched to Vettle perfectly.
They were designed to have high levels of rear downforce and work well in clear air (i.e leading from the front). Vettle seems very well matched to that type of performance and at the very least he's pretty good at leading from the front consistently.

it will be interesting to see how he'll manage fighting within the pack, definitely an interesting season to see the Vettle/Ricciardo battle alone.
 
MissChief said:
What he means is Vettel managed to get his head round the EBD better than Webber did. Webber was always a 'mechanical' guy if you get my drift. The idea of pressing the pedal harder going round a corner was difficult for him to grasp. Webber thrived on mechanical grip, grip he could feel through the car and the seat of his pants. 'Old school' perhaps. Vettel seemed to adapt better to the EBD and what was required to get the best from it.
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This. I'm relieved someone understands me. I was starting to get a bit paranoid !
 
Didums, they're only moaning as they developed sub pat engines and there's an engine fix.

And Horner saying he wants the 100kg or hour gone, to make it simpler. Does he think we are idioms.
And how on earth would it make it simpler to understand, when drivers keep changing the profile and switching between 600bhp to 1200bhp+ and anything in between. That'll make racing interesting, let alone the safety aspect. What an idiot.
 
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Surely in the grand scheme of things it still wouldn't help them? If they run more fuel, Merc will run more fuel. The advantages Merc have can't be over come by allowing more fuel flow. Toys out of pram everywhere, it's not even like Merc are bending the rules (flex wings anyone?) They have simply had a brilliant idea.
 
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