Bahrain Grand Prix 2014, Sakhir - Race 3/19

Glaucus said:
Diems, they're only moaning as they developed sub pat engines and there's an engine fix.
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Not entirely true.
RB are not responsible for their engine development.
They are stuck with what they have, and that might hurt.

On the aero sections in all races thus far RB have been just as competitive, it appears Renault have not been able to bring enough power to the party in a consistent manner.

How fixable this is remains to be seen. It simply might not be.
In which case expect within a few years everyone to move to merc or honda, and leave Renault behind, probably as soon as contracts allow.
Clearly Ferrari have issues also, I am unsure how much is aero (due to the utter ugliness of their nose section not allowing them to go quickly as even God is so ****ed at the ugliness he is increase air resistance around the car) and how much of it is engine. They will continue to make engines, as their brand forces such.
 
I don't quite get the comments about Ricciardo making Vettel look like a newbie? In Australia Vettel retired with technical issues after qualifying badly due to technical issues, meanwhile Ricciardo had no issues and finished on the podium. Malaysia Ricciardo retired with team and technical difficulties, while Vettel had no issues and finishes on the podium. Then in Bahrain so far Vettel has struggled with technical difficulties, while Riccoardo hasn't and is up the front.

All we can draw is that both drivers are being hindered by reliability issues in what appears to be the second quickest car. At no point have they had a level weekend that we can compare.
 
Because Ric is faster than him in almost all areas in the three gp so far.
Vet didn't lose this qualifying to technical issues. He even said himself he didn't extract the maximum.

Weather that trend will continue, who knows. But so far Ric has done a far better job.
 
deuse said:
Vimto being shown up for what he is a mid field driver.
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Hehehe. I'm not sure if this is serious or not

Remember, Vettel is a championship driver. He is about stats. Out qualifying his team-mate at this stage of the WDC isnt going to win any records.

Another point is that too many people in here assume that a driver can maintain top form for the duration of the entire season. Like any sport this is nigh on impossible. The top drivers will dip in form for a period of roughly 3 consecutive races (per season) and it is possible that Vettel is going through a dip in form.

Some people have also suggested that when he is not in the best car he is anonymous. This simply isnt true. I remember 2 years ago, Vettel was not in the best car and he was beating Hamilton, in a slower car. This was the point where I accepted that he was one of the best drivers in F1.

Last year, all Team Principals were polled and asked 'who the driver of the year was'. Vettel came top.

I'd also like to remind people of the following: Vettel and Alonso are the only (current) World Champions who have not been outscored by their team-mates, in any F1 WDC season.

Before assuming that Vettel is a midfield driver, I'd suggest that we at least wait for half the season.
 
Glaucus said:
Because Ric is faster than him in almost all areas in the three gp so far.
Vet didn't lose this qualifying to technical issues. He even said himself he didn't extract the maximum.

Weather that trend will continue, who knows. But so far Ric has done a far better job.
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What were the comments about rears locking on downshifts about then?

Australia is non comparable as issues in qualifying and the race meant we had no idea how Vettel could have done. In the only other race so far Vettel was ahead of Ricciardo.

Its far to early and there's nowhere near enough racing done to start drawing the frankly silly conclusions that the 4 time WDC is merely a mid field driver.
 
Skeeter said:
What were the comments about rears locking on downshifts about then?

Australia is non comparable as issues in qualifying and the race meant we had no idea how Vettel could have done. In the only other race so far Vettel was ahead of Ricciardo.

Its far to early and there's nowhere near enough racing done to start drawing the frankly silly conclusions that the 4 time WDC is merely a mid field driver.
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A comment that no one could see in replays.
In his chat he mentioned there was a slight issue with downshift, but that he didn't extract what he could have anyway.

And we have no idea what Ric could have done last race.

I agree, which is why I've said in every post, it's early in the season and who knows how the trend will continue. But so far Ric has done the far better job.
 
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maybe ricciardo is use to driving a crap car so is getting more out of it and vettel is used to just wafting around without pressure and is still in that mode, only this time his car isnt making him look good :p
 
The thing about Vettel is he was in by miles the best car in the last 4 years - performance and reliability wise. He was, as Webber said, a master of driving corners and expertly understood the off throttle blown diffusing of the RB cars and how to work with it.

Take that away from him and he's just another driver. I agree that 99 percent of F1 is the car ... even Alonso said it's 70 percent car but it just isn't true.

Give 5 drivers a Mondeo 2.0 petrol to drive around a track and then give 5 other drivers an Audi R8 to drive around a track - which drivers are going to be quickest?

Point being it's mainly the car which dictates who wins in F1 and who wins races/championships.

Ok it may not be 99 percent car - as race craft is a skill in itself and concentration etc. but imo it's a helluva lot more than 70 percent.
 
adam cool dude said:
Mclaren lost in 2007 because they let their drivers race. Button and Hamilton Mclaren era were never as fast as the RB's. Kimi was very unlucky in 2008. I think he would have won the 2008 championship if he hadn't had so many retirements in the later part of the championship (He was leading it for half the season).
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But then Kimi was lucky in 2007 beating Hamilton - swings and roundabouts :)
If anyone was unlucky in 2008 it was Massa.
 
Isn't common opinion that the 2012 McLaren was the best car that year? And in 2010 Vettel never lead the championship until the end of the last race.

He's obviously not dragged a dog of a car to victory, but people's opinion does seem to be blinkered by his dominance in 2011 and the 2nd half of 2013.
 
smr said:
The thing about Vettel is he was in by miles the best car in the last 4 years - performance and reliability wise. He was, as Webber said, a master of driving corners and expertly understood the off throttle blown diffusing of the RB cars and how to work with it.

Take that away from him and he's just another driver. I agree that 99 percent of F1 is the car ... even Alonso said it's 70 percent car but it just isn't true.

Give 5 drivers a Mondeo 2.0 petrol to drive around a track and then give 5 other drivers an Audi R8 to drive around a track - which drivers are going to be quickest?

Point being it's mainly the car which dictates who wins in F1 and who wins races/championships.

Ok it may not be 99 percent car - as race craft is a skill in itself and concentration etc. but imo it's a helluva lot more than 70 percent.
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That is how Button won his world title. ;)
 
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