Baroness Thatcher has died.

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Yeah...8000 miles away...clearly ours...tube

Hong Kong was on a 99 year lease to the UK, we didn't colonized it.We gave it back when it expired. In a much better shape than when we took over it.

The Falklands was a different kettle of fish. It was colonized by British people for well over a 100 years. The military junta decided to take the heat off themselves by invading, and it back-fired spectacular, like all your posts.

Dafty.
 
I lived it, My mother worked in Knockshinnoch colliery LINK, she had SIX brothers involved in the Knockshinnoch disaster,three trapped three on rescue team one brother killed in the pit.My father was Assistant Chief Engineer at Highouse Colliery, Auchinleck, we lived in a council house we didn't have a car, he made a fair wage but it is spectacularly wrong to say they made 'millionaires' wages, seriously this is just wrong, it is simply not true, all my friends worked in the pit and NONE got rich. My friends were also active during the strike, subjected to police/state brutality. As an asides it is not forgotten that it was the Nottinghamshire lot who capitulated.

Agreed...my father has a photograph of the miners on the picket line somewhere in Yorkshire, you can see at least 30 riot police waving their wage slips at the miners who hadn't had a wage in months cause the old bag wanted to close every pit in the country and put THOUSANDS out of work
 
It was the story here in Stoke On Trent - u mad?

Housey also said that is how it happened where he was.

I'm only speaking for Stoke like I said in my post but you are still incapable of reading.

Do your experiences in Stoke On Trent act as a parallel, truism, for other people?
 
Hong Kong was on a 99 year lease to the UK, we didn't colonized it.We gave it back when it expired. In a much better shape than when we took over it.

The Falklands was a different kettle of fish. It was colonized by British people for well over a 100 years. The military junta decided to take the heat off themselves by invading, and it back-fired spectacular, like all your posts.

Dafty.

British (illegally) ruled most of the world at the barrel of a gun for nearly 300 years...and we're offended when someone has a go at us....
 
Agreed...my father has a photograph of the miners on the picket line somewhere in Yorkshire, you can see at least 30 riot police waving their wage slips at the miners who hadn't had a wage in months cause the old bag wanted to close every pit in the country and put THOUSANDS out of work

This is fact, my friends saw this regularly, the police were getting loads of overtime and actively taunted the pickets, people have no idea just how much this was the state versus the people, have no illusions they were using the secret services too, utterly utterly outrageous, how dare they steal our lives.
 
1. As Education secretary under Edward Heath in a foretaste of what is to come, stops free milk for school children. No chance of the widely praised 'free fruit' scheme ever being Tory policy! She later deregulates school meals so all they have on the menu is burger and chips! The health of the nation was not something Thatcher thought any of her concern.

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2. Shamelessly uses the 'race card' to get elected PM in 1979! (Though I wont claim her to be the first Tory leader to use this and certainly not the last!) "We are being flooded!" she asserts despite figures showing emigration higher than immigration and immigration at its lowest post-war level. Her idols are Keith Joseph (who ruined his own chance of being leader with a demon eyed rant on TV about sterilising the poor (I jest not!!)) and Enoch Powell (the 'intellectual' racist). She promotes Keith 'Eugenics' Joseph to Education Minister!

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3. Monetarism! Disastrous policy of trying to control money supply. In the first of her two recessions (the worst since the 1930's), one fifth of our industrial base is wiped out and unemployment is more than doubled, there are summer riots in every inner-city in the country. Not bad for her first 2 years in office! In the first of many U-turns (see point on 'myth of strong leader'), she abandons monetarism. Polls predict Labour landslide and despite the resolute support of the press, she is the most unpopular PM on record. How could she possibly get out of this one?

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4. The Falklands! In a gross piece of incompetence (or was it deliberate?) fails to avert the Falklands crisis by ignoring intelligence on the Argentine preparation for invasion in early 1982. Indeed she seems to positively encourage it by proposing scrapping the only warship we have there and having her defence secretary Nicholas Ridley openly say we didn't want the Falklands, thereby giving the impression we are not bothered about the islands! In 1978 when faced with the same intelligence, the Labour government quietly averts a war through diplomatic channels by threatening to send a taskforce. It's the classic tale, to divert attention from disastrous economic policies at home a crooked leader engages in a foreign war (except I'm not talking about Galtieri!). Perhaps Thatcher was getting advise from some of the brutal dictatorships she helped prop up in South America, "Would you like some more tea Mr Pinochet?". Number of British soldiers killed, 278, Argentines, 3000+. Blood on her hands anyone?

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5. Destruction of local democracy. The beauty of not having a written constitution, having the backing of the press, having a massive majority in parliament (despite only getting 42% of the vote, less than 1 in 3 of the electorate) and having a permanent inbuilt Tory hereditory second chamber is that Tory PMs can do whatever they like. If you dont like local democracy because they vote for someone else, just abolish it like Thatcher did and centralise everything from Whitehall and unelected Quangos who you carefully select. (Yes, Thatcher invented Quasi Autonomous Non-Governmental Organisations.) The popular GLC was scrapped despite over 80% of Londoners being opposed. Londoners have to wait over 13 years before getting an assembly back and electing Livingstone as its leader once again.

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6. Politicising the civil service. See point about QUANGOs above. Also if you dont like what statistics the statistics office is publishing, make sure you stop them collecting the statistics and stop them publishing them. The figures that were published on individual wealth and earnings each year were abolished in this way. The Office for National Statistics like the Bank of England was made independent by this Labour government and yes they have started publishing the wealth and earnings figures again.

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7. Regressive Taxation. Under Thatcher VAT increased from 8% to 17.5% and was also levied on utility bills for the first time as well. What she gave the rich in income tax cuts she took from the poor in indirect taxation. The proportion of GDP spent by the government under Thatcher stayed fairly static at around 40%. The difference was that rather than spend it on the NHS, housing or education she spent the money on defence, a massive expansion of the civil service (see point 6), paying the huge unemployment bill, and rising police salaries to keep them loyal in the face of massive civil unrest. The best part of all was that she shifted the burden of payment for all this onto the poor from the rich.

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8. The widening gap between rich and poor. This might not be such a bad thing if the gap had not been so massive in the first place. How can the richest 50% owning 97% of the wealth be fair? This was her starting position she moved wealth almost exclusively to the richest 10% at the expense of the poorest 50%.

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9. Spend, spend, spend! Abolishing credit controls seemed such a good idea, the economy booms on a consumer spending bubble....cue second crippling recession. Thanks Margaret! Not to mention the misery caused to millions of people suckered into debts and negative equity! Spend, spend, spend also applied to government borrowing which despite claims of financial prudence increased massively under Thatcher to fund income tax cuts for the rich.

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10. Homelessness for the young. Why should homelessness be the preserve of ageing tramps who remember the 1930's. No! Thatcher thought the opportunities should be open to all. Young beggars on the streets were Thatcher's invention. The legacy of massive youth unemployment and crime no-go areas for the police are still being fought today. There is a whole generation of people where crime and welfare culture was their only way of surviving and it became their mindset.

11. The Poll Tax! Regardless of how you view this in theory, apart from its regressive nature, it quite plainly was unworkable. They knew that it was going to be ridiculously expensive to collect, that there was overwhelming opposition to it (it ruined the 1991 census) and was going to mean massive non-payment and it was responsible for some of the worst rioting ever seen in central London but they pressed ahead anyway. Another U-turn inevitably came!

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12. The myth of the strong leader. This was a total invention of the press. Thatcher's only strength (if you could call it that) was that she had no principles at all! She was an anti-smoking campaigner who ended up on the payroll of British American Tobacco. She had to do a U-turn on her 'flagship' economic policy after 2 years because she had wrecked the economy (see point 3) (This was just one year after her famous speech in 1980 where she assured the party faithful she was going to stick to monetarist policies-"You turn if you want to...the lady's not for turning"-yeah right!!). The Poll Tax was a disaster which she had to U-turn on (but too late to save her from being stabbed in the back!). She went to Europe saying she was against federalism but signed its most federalist law (the Single European Act in 1986). She later claimed she was tricked on this. Did she even know what she was doing? Some strong leader that is! And to top it all off, even in departure she was weak. "I fight on, I fight to win" she said in her pompous way before quietly resigning hours later when confronted by Ministers like Geoffrey Howe!!! It was the final U-turn from a weak puppet leader whose only qualities (as far as the Tories were concerned) were she did what she was told.

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13. Degradation of the social professions. Social workers were virtually denounced as criminals! Teachers were so derided and there pay so eroded it barely survived as a profession and things like mental health, just loose them out on the streets, Thatcher's government didnt care what they did!

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14. Victorian Values. Yes before its Back to Basics successor under Major, Thatcher promised to take us back to Victorian morality and she nearly succeeded. We were not far away from child labour and seething slums of humanity and disease. I reckon Thatcher needed one more term for that!! She also took care to defend to the hilt her countless Ministers who were caught with their trousers down or hands in the till or both in some cases! Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer (3 times), Jonathon Aitkin (twice)... etc. etc. the list goes on.

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15. "There is no such thing as society". Did Thatcher foresee the 'playstation' generation? Selfishness as a virtue seemed to sum up her warped sense of morality to me.

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16. Over-privatisation and overt corruption. Oh the beauty of it, a totally dominant monopoly privatised at a discount price to big business (lots of it foreign owned) so they can cream off profits to their hearts content. Who can do without Water, Gas, Electricity? We can charge what we like! Plus we get the bonus of nice jobs on more Quangos OfWat, OfGas, Of-with taxpayers cash we go. With Ministers interchanging between the boardrooms of the newly privatised companies and the regulating boards on massive salaries. Even husband and wife teams, remember Mr and Mrs Howe, one a consultant with a privatised firm, his wife the regulator. Anyone for insider dealing calls out Mrs Archer! Oh jolly good show! Even industries that plainly werent feasible for privatisation like bus and rail, go for it, it wont hurt. And what shall we do with the money my dear? Well my son Mark has shares in a nice defence firm! Rather, still some left over for a nice reduction in the top rate of income tax as well.

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17. Even public service broadcasting couldnt escape. Relentless bullying of the BBC was started by Thatcher, she took this to a new level with Tebbit and various other ministers calling it the Bolshevic Broadcasting Company because it failed to replicate Sun editorial lines in its news broadcasts. In one of her last acts she even managed to wreck Channel 4' s public service commitment by changing its funding situation from one of subscription from ITV who sold its advertising space to total dependence on advertising.

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18. The divisiveness of the North-South divide in wealth. Look at the political map and you can still see where the Conservatives win most of their seats in the South East because of this.

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19. Regular winter crises in the NHS became the norm. The Tories argued these were inevitable because we couldnt afford to fund the NHS properly. There are no winter crises anymore!

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20. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher. This is probably the most surprising statistic of the lot when you consider the Tories so called strong standing on law and order. It just goes to demonstrate why we need a history lesson about Thatcher and not the lies printed in the right wing owned press.
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Not to mention selling of social housing for a pittance.

In an interview, after the usual Tory line about people in social housing being on benefits, more crime etc, she let out the reason for the Policy - people who own their home are more likely to vote Tory.

Of course it was popular. Ask anyone if they want to buy something at a minimum discount of 32% and you will be inundated. No brainer.
 
This is fact, my friends saw this regularly, the police were getting loads of overtime and actively taunted the pickets, people have no idea just how much this was the state versus the people, have no illusions they were using the secret services too, utterly utterly outrageous, how dare they steal our lives.

True...my father also remembers the soldiers being brought in a dressed in police uniforms to tackle the pickets....soldiers tend to be bigger built than police hence the rows of "police" in very badly fitting tight uniforms...also visible in a couple of snaps he has
 
True...my father also remembers the soldiers being brought in a dressed in police uniforms to tackle the pickets....soldiers tend to be bigger built than police hence the rows of "police" in very badly fitting tight uniforms...also visible in a couple of snaps he has

oh how i wish there was a rofl smiley available on this forum.
 
Agreed...my father has a photograph of the miners on the picket line somewhere in Yorkshire, you can see at least 30 riot police waving their wage slips at the miners who hadn't had a wage in months cause the old bag wanted to close every pit in the country and put THOUSANDS out of work

I'll tell you something else that happened here in Stoke On Trent that is 100% fact. My brother in law was a miner like his Dad and his Dad before him and he was on strike up until 2 weeks before it ended. He couldn't go on without money anymore and then suffered the taunts of being a Blackleg for the rest of his pit service. During one period (and because I was a Union Man at a factory) I was talked in to helping out on a picket line and one Miner (who thought I was a Miner) pointed out that some of the Union men were doing which was pulling money out of their pockets to help other Miners out but he couldn't get any. I asked my Brother in Law if this was the case and he said he'd been asking for help for months but only close mates were getting handouts. On the day he walked back into work he watched striking miners having money put in their hand, asked once again and then walked back into Hem Heath Colliery.
 
British (illegally) ruled most of the world at the barrel of a gun for nearly 300 years...and we're offended when someone has a go at us....

Ahahahaaaaa.

This is fact, my friends saw this regularly, the police were getting loads of overtime and actively taunted the pickets, people have no idea just how much this was the state versus the people, have no illusions they were using the secret services too, utterly utterly outrageous, how dare they steal our lives.

I'm pretty sure coal was still privately owned, so that state v state, or at the police evil now too?

Also secret service used? Doing what exactly? A credible source please, not some random down the pub.
 
Thatcher devastated Stoke On Trent, we were a mining and steel city (as well as Pottery) but something needed doing with the greedy Miners. I was working in a factory on about £75/week but my Miner mates were getting 'millionaires' wages and wanted more more more and would keep going on strike to get it. I know it sounds like jealousy but mining jobs were 'Family' jobs and you could only get in if you had family already there. When you're working class you should all be on the same steps of the ladder and it was quite hard to share your pub with greedy Miners. Something had to happen and she was the person to do it.

You ever been down a mine? I only visited one deep mine and I can tell you there is not enough money in the world to make me go down again.
 
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