Baroness Thatcher has died.

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Finally.... Horrible person hope it was painful

See, at the end of the day, or well this morning to be precise, she was a frail 87 year old woman. Irrespective of what she done, good or bad as perceived, she was still another human being. We should have compassion for everyone, even those who have wronged us.

It's sad all the same when a person dies and leaves others behind.
 
True...my father also remembers the soldiers being brought in a dressed in police uniforms to tackle the pickets....soldiers tend to be bigger built than police hence the rows of "police" in very badly fitting tight uniforms...also visible in a couple of snaps he has

The reason they were bad fitting, was because they wasn't enough uniforms to replace the ones that the miners were spitting on.
 
Thatcher devastated Stoke On Trent, we were a mining and steel city (as well as Pottery) but something needed doing with the greedy Miners. I was working in a factory on about £75/week but my Miner mates were getting 'millionaires' wages and wanted more more more and would keep going on strike to get it. I know it sounds like jealousy but mining jobs were 'Family' jobs and you could only get in if you had family already there. When you're working class you should all be on the same steps of the ladder and it was quite hard to share your pub with greedy Miners. Something had to happen and she was the person to do it.

I'm a Stokie to and can well remember sitting in college surrounded by blokes who had lost their jobs at Shelton Bar - steel works. Likewise I can remember figures of £200-300 a week being mentioned by miners of the day. Way, way above what was the norm for the average working man. That said Thatcher wrecked the mining industry to loosen the unions grip on the workforce. But in doing so industry fell like a house of cards, mining, steel, rail, ship-building. As has been said once the north was the powerhouse of the country and industry, with more work than jobs. In mining alone 30,000 jobs were lost. And if it wasn't bolted down she sold it to the private sector.

She devastated the lives of 1000's to break the unions, people lost their jobs, homes, once thriving towns have become sh1tholes of unemployment with no industry replacing what had gone. What is shameful is there is still nothing there 30 years on.

What is really ironic is that the financial industries that have been built up in there place, operate pretty much as the unions did. Now government sings to the tune of the banks instead of the unions. All they've done is create a new monster to fight with. I wonder if Thatcher was still in power whether she would have let the banks go to the wall the same way she did the mining industry?

Without question the unions needed reigning in but did the price need to be as high as it was? Thousands still hate her with a passion and she damaged the police at the same time because of how she used them to break the strikes. As a by the by, I had a mate in the police at the time and the overtime he clocked was incredible.
 
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Do your experiences in Stoke On Trent act as a parallel, truism, for other people?

Only in Stoke, perhaps you can talk for the rest of the country since you know it all.
Many of those Miners ended up coming to work at Creda/Hotpoint where I was and most will tell the same story which was basically they were getting too greedy.
 
I'm a Stokie to and can well remember sitting in college surrounded by blokes who had lost their jobs at Shelton Bar - steel works. Likewise I can remember figures of £200-300 a week being mentioned by miners of the day. Way, way above what was the norm for the average working man. That said Thatcher wrecked the mining industry to loosen the unions grip on the workforce. But in doing so industry fell like a house of cards, mining, steel, rail, ship-building. As has been said once the north was the powerhouse of the country and industry, with more work than jobs. In mining alone 30,000 jobs were lost. And if it wasn't bolted down she sold it to the private sector.

She devastated the lives of 1000's to break the unions, people lost their jobs, homes, once thriving towns have become sh1tholes of unemployment with no industry replacing what had gone. What is shameful is there is still nothing there 30 years on.

What is really ironic is that the financial industries that have been built up in there place operate pretty much as the unions did. Now government sings to the tune of the banks instead of the unions. All they've done is create a new monster to fight with. I wonder if Thatcher was still in power whether she would have let the banks go to the wall the same way she did the mining industry?

Without question the unions needed reigning in but did the price need to be as high as it was? Thousands still hate her with a passion and she damaged the police at the same time because of how she used them to break the strikes. As a by the by, I had a mate in the police at the time and the overtime he clocked was incredible.


An excellent summary
 
Why???

It's was an event that happened during his life that he and several hundred like him experienced

Proof? Of any sort? Surely if it happened, at least one policeman or soldier would have come forward and talked of it? Stuff like that doesnt happen with nothing getting out.

They bussed in police from all over, some were total gits.

Why would they secretly bring in the army and dress them as police? Thats just conspiracy theory nonsense.
 
This is going to be impossible to moderate, far too many insensitive comments already posted. Regardless of her politics, people are celebrating the death of someone which I find, frankly, disgusting.

Nothing out of the ordinary for this forum it would seem. Take the thread below, people joking about an innocent persons death pretty much the same day it happened.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=23652493

While I condemn any such behaviour, if that kind of thing is tolerated there the same should be true here. Purely because a person was famous doesn't make them any less or more deserving of respect.
 
I wonder if Thatcher was still in power whether she would have let the banks go to the wall the same way she did the mining industry?

No, because that concentrates - condenses - wealth power and influence to a much smaller minority (including former industrial magnates).

Heavy labour intensive industry done the opposite of that.
 
Only in Stoke, perhaps you can talk for the rest of the country since you know it all.
Many of those Miners ended up coming to work at Creda/Hotpoint where I was and most will tell the same story which was basically they were getting too greedy.

So we replace a bunch of greedy people with even more greedy people?

That fix your envy? ;)
 
You ever been down a mine? I only visited one deep mine and I can tell you there is not enough money in the world to make me go down again.

I had to do a mandatory one week down Silverdale mine around 78/79 and would have stayed if offered a job.

I'm a Stokie to and can well remember sitting in college surrounded by blokes who had lost their jobs at Shelton Bar - steel works. Likewise I can remember figures of £200-300 a week being mentioned by miners of the day. Way, way above what was the norm for the average working man.

Thank you fellow Stokie although some were hitting £500.
 
Why is Dimple getting shouted down for giving his own personal experience whereas anyone who gives an anecdote from their sisters brothers mums girlfriend who was a miner is instantly believed? :o
 
True...my father also remembers the soldiers being brought in a dressed in police uniforms to tackle the pickets....soldiers tend to be bigger built than police hence the rows of "police" in very badly fitting tight uniforms...also visible in a couple of snaps he has

And of course highly illegal as the House of Commons has to sanction troops being used against their own people.

Dame Stella Rimington (Director-General of MI5, 1992 – 1996) published an autobiography in 2001 in which she revealed MI5 'counter-subversion' exercises against the NUM and the striking miners, which included the tapping of union leaders' phones.
 
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What is really ironic is that the financial industries that have been built up in there place, operate pretty much as the unions did. Now government sings to the tune of the banks instead of the unions. All they've done is create a new monster to fight with. I wonder if Thatcher was still in power whether she would have let the banks go to the wall the same way she did the mining industry?
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Very good post.

To be fair if anyone would she would. She wouldn't be doing a Cameron/Clegg/Brown/Miliband she would make it right.

I'm a northerner with family who were effected by it all but it was, unfortunately, necessary. What a lot of people don't realise, or refuse to a knowledge, is that if the unions had been less truculent and deliberately obstructive a better solution for all could have been found.

However as in all walks of life and in al things people won't apportion any blame to themselves or those they are close to. Much easier to demonise someone and wish for the "good old days" :rolleyes:
 
Ahahahaaaaa.

I'm pretty sure coal was still privately owned, so that state v state, or at the police evil now too?

Also secret service used? Doing what exactly? A credible source please, not some random down the pub.

Doesnt make sense, yes coal is privately owned, if you buy it its yours.I think you usage of private is erroneous in this context.

A cursory Google throws up interesting stuff LINK, however I do also remember a guy from Dumfries in the news some years after the strike getting proof they were bugging phones etc.In addition I DO have some anecdotes that would certainly make you think, personally I`m 100% sure secret services were involved, I mean I think it would be hugely unlikely if they werent.
 
Why is Dimple getting shouted down for giving his own personal experience whereas anyone who gives an anecdote from their sisters brothers mums girlfriend who was a miner is instantly believed? :o

I shout him down on everything generally, he keeps very poor company, but the wording spiked my interest too.

Smacked a little bit of special pleading tbh with the wording but if I was wrong on that I'm happy to hold my hand up!
 
Why is Dimple getting shouted down for giving his own personal experience whereas anyone who gives an anecdote from their sisters brothers mums girlfriend who was a miner is instantly believed? :o

Because facts and truth are inconvenient to a hateful agenda.

Much easy to have imaginary snaps of soldiers and secret service running riot and destroying the people :p
 
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