Batman™: Arkham Knight Performance

[Gregster]

This isn't the reason for me dropping SLI but it does make me warm all over to see another reason for dropping SLI. Untill they have an interest in getting SLI/CF bugs sorted and have them working like a single GPU, I shan't be in a hurry to go back to Multi GPU.

 

[Dicehunter]

Fortunately I can run it on a single card maxed @2160p if I want to but that is not the point.

What about people with GTX 970 SLI or a pair of 780s.

If NVidia support and use SLI as a selling point, the least we can expect in an NVidia sponsored game is SLI support.

If game devs don't want to implement SLI support that is not a problem but then they should not have "TWIMTBP" in the credits.

Just because they have Nvidia branding doesn't mean they should be supporting every tech Nvidia has.

Many games that have TWIMTBP branding don't have all Nvidia features, Look at AC: Syndicate, It has TXAA, PCSS, HBAO+ but it doesn't have Physx, Faceworks, Waveworks or Hairworks.

The multi-GPU user base is in an extreme minority, Makes no sense to spend extra resources on something only a few people will use if it's hard to implement or will cause issues.

 

[JediFragger]

This isn't the reason for me dropping SLI but it does make me warm all over to see another reason for dropping SLI. Untill they have an interest in getting SLI/CF bugs sorted and have them working like a single GPU, I shan't be in a hurry to go back to Multi GPU.

Sorry mate but I have to disagree tbh. A well-overclocked X99 980Ti system is Godly (when it works as intended!!!)

 

[robin66]

What sli setup did you have mate? Did you increase performance by going to a 980ti?

My last setup was 970's in SLI. It was more of a side grade for me from the benchmarks I've seen online. But I just find everything much smoother. And without the hassle of waiting for new drivers or developers patching it in so it works correctly.

I've gone through many SLI setups over the years. GTX 295, 470's 670's and then the 970's.

I guess I just got caught up in the fact that I'd lose performance if I was to go back to a single card.

I game at 1440 btw.

 

[Kaapstad]

Just because they have Nvidia branding doesn't mean they should be supporting every tech Nvidia has.

Many games that have TWIMTBP branding don't have all Nvidia features, Look at AC: Syndicate, It has TXAA, PCSS, HBAO+ but it doesn't have Physx, Faceworks, Waveworks or Hairworks.

The multi-GPU user base is in an extreme minority, Makes no sense to spend extra resources on something only a few people will use if it's hard to implement or will cause issues.

If a game has NVidia branding then yes they should make the effort to support SLI.

SLI is in a different category to the other things you mentioned above as it can make the difference between the game running or not at very high resolutions.

What would you recommend in place of SLI being available, should everyone go out and buy a TitanX instead ?

I don't think people should have to spend £850 on a card just because the game devs can not be bothered to get SLI working even though they have TWIMTBP in the credits.

 

[Dicehunter]

If a game has NVidia branding then yes they should make the effort to support SLI.

SLI is in a different category to the other things you mentioned above as it can make the difference between the game running or not at very high resolutions.

What would you recommend in place of SLI being available, should everyone go out and buy a TitanX instead ?

I don't think people should have to spend £850 on a card just because the game devs can not be bothered to get SLI working even though they have TWIMTBP in the credits.

These games work just fine on single cards that don't cost £800+ at widely used resolutions, 1440P and 4K are only used by a tiny % of the gamer population

It's the majority of the gamers that are important to the companies not the few people who run 4 x GPU's and 4K.

 

[Kaapstad]

These games work just fine on single cards that don't cost £800+ at widely used resolutions, 1440P and 4K are only used by a tiny % of the gamer population

It's the majority of the gamers that are important to the companies not the few people who run 4 x GPU's and 4K.

So from your point of view people should not use -

SLI
C/F
1440p
2160p

That is a pretty narrow point of view, do you follow your own advice and use a console @1080p.

And what does people with 4 GPUs have to do with the fact that the game devs do not want to support basic 2 way card usage.

 

[Dicehunter]

So from your point of view people should not use -

SLI
C/F
1440p
2160p

That is a pretty narrow point of view, do you follow your own advice and use a console @1080p.

And what does people with 4 GPUs have to do with the fact that the game devs do not want to support basic 2 way card usage.

Don't twist my words and spout absolute tosh dude, No need for it.

Again, It's not MY point of view, It's the companies who make these games.

If more and more people end up using higher resolutions and multi-GPU setups then I can see the vast majority of companies supporting it but until they do just be grateful you get SLI support in some games.

 

[Kaapstad]

Don't twist my words and spout absolute tosh dude, No need for it.

Again, It's not MY point of view, It's the companies who make these games.

I am not twisting anything, it is you who has raised all these.

 

[Dicehunter]

I am not twisting anything, it is you who has raised all these.

Here we go, He said she said BS because companies won't let me play with all my toys

It's just fact, Read my above edited response.

 

[Kaapstad]

If more and more people end up using higher resolutions and multi-GPU setups then I can see the vast majority of companies supporting it but until they do just be grateful you get SLI support in some games.

I think you need to check with Gibbo to see what his sales figures of 1440p/2160p monitors are.

It is a very sizeable percentage of the total.

 

[Dicehunter]

I think you need to check with Gibbo to see what his sales figures of 1440p/2160p monitors are.

It is a very sizeable percentage of the total.

This I know already but this is still a very small percentage of the amount of people who actually game, Plus not every one who buys high res monitors uses them for gaming

Most of the people who I personally know who have high res monitors do not game, They use their equipment for work i.e web design, Photography etc....

 

[Kaapstad]

It's the majority of the gamers that are important to the companies not the few people who run 4 x GPU's and 4K.

Here we go, He said she said BS because companies won't let me play with all my toys

It's just fact, Read my above edited response.

What does me having 4 cards have to do with anything here.

We are talking about basic 2 way setups here.

 

[Kaapstad]

This I know already but this is still a very small percentage of the amount of people who actually game, Plus not every one who buys high res monitors uses them for gaming

Most of the people who I personally know who have high res monitors do not game, They use their equipment for work i.e web design, Photography etc....

I think you will find that most of the ones Gibbo sells are used for gaming and they account for a big percentage of the ongoing market.

The least you should expect from a brand new game is the ability to be played on the hardware that is being sold at the present time.

 

[Gregster]

Sorry mate but I have to disagree tbh. A well-overclocked X99 980Ti system is Godly (when it works as intended!!!)

Cool to hear. The last straw for me was the microstutter (something I never noticed prior to going G-Sync) and not all games but the majority of mine had this quite noticeably. I got out my old 1080P as well just to see and there it was. It was a real game killer for me and found I was just gaming on a single card for the smoothness. I do hope that DX12 deals with it better and I will find out with Pascal hopefully.

These games work just fine on single cards that don't cost £800+ at widely used resolutions, 1440P and 4K are only used by a tiny % of the gamer population

It's the majority of the gamers that are important to the companies not the few people who run 4 x GPU's and 4K.

True that Dice. Whilst I have been on pretty much every resolution above 1080P for ages, the masses still game on that res. Not that many MGPU users either, so in terms of priority, it will be the single 1080P users who take precedence.

For the majority also, a 970/390 can pretty much cope with everything at 1080P and I feel they are cheap as chips cards and well worth a purchase for those that want the detail at that res.

 

[Kaapstad]

True that Dice. Whilst I have been on pretty much every resolution above 1080P for ages, the masses still game on that res. Not that many MGPU users either, so in terms of priority, it will be the single 1080P users who take precedence.

For the majority also, a 970/390 can pretty much cope with everything at 1080P and I feel they are cheap as chips cards and well worth a purchase for those that want the detail at that res.

Here is a link to OcUKs top selling monitors.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/monitors/finder/top-sellers

There are some very hi resolution/demanding monitors on the list.

The game devs should be catering for this with brand new games rather than pretending the market does not exist.

 

[Dicehunter]

Here is a link to OcUKs top selling monitors.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/monitors/finder/top-sellers

There are some very hi resolution/demanding monitors on the list.

The game devs should be catering for this with brand new games rather than pretending the market does not exist.

You are completely missing the point.

Even though these are the best selling with this shop doesn't mean anything.

Look at the bigger picture, Pun not intended, Most people gaming do it at 1600x900 and 1080P.

What incentive do game companies have to implement support for multi GPU's when there isn't a need for the vast majority of people ?

When more and more people run hiogher resolutions monitors and multi-GPU setups then we will see more and more companies supporting the 2 properly.

 

[Gregster]

Here is a link to OcUKs top selling monitors.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/monitors/finder/top-sellers

There are some very hi resolution/demanding monitors on the list.

The game devs should be catering for this with brand new games rather than pretending the market does not exist.

That isn't a statement of fact Kaap lol. That is a recommendation of what to buy. If you click on top sellers for OcUK, you will see 2 G-Sync monitors at the top of the list and you are telling me that they sell more of those than anything?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/top-sellers

 

[Kaapstad]

You are completely missing the point.

Even though these are the best selling with this shop doesn't mean anything.

Look at the bigger picture, Pun not intended, Most people gaming do it at 1600x900 and 1080P.

What incentive do game companies have to implement support for multi GPU's when there isn't a need for the vast majority of people ?

When more and more people run hiogher resolutions monitors and multi-GPU setups then we will see more and more companies supporting the 2 properly.

Looking at the bigger picture.

A lot of serious hi resolution hardware is being sold now.

Game devs can not ignore this and expect people to use 10 year old hardware.

 

[Dicehunter]

Looking at the bigger picture.

A lot of serious hi resolution hardware is being sold now.

Game devs can not ignore this and expect people to use 10 year old hardware.

A lot yes but the vast majority of people gaming in the world are still using 900P and 1080P, Until the vast majority changes we won't see change.

That isn't a statement of fact Kaap lol. That is a recommendation of what to buy. If you click on top sellers for OcUK, you will see 2 G-Sync monitors at the top of the list and you are telling me that they sell more of those than anything?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/top-sellers

+1 Exactly !