Batman™: Arkham Knight Performance

Dicehunter · 21 Nov 2015 at 15:56

Gregster said:
Well I re-read this thread over a cup of tea before work and not once did I read Dice say "They don't matter". He mentions priorities and that is that. Don't start twisting words Kaap, you are better than that.

Exactly thanks bud

Kaapstad said:
Low priority is the same as don't matter.

Perhaps Dicehunter could state that SLI and C/F users do and should matter and then we will all be on the same page.

Doesn't matter what I say bud I'm just a consumer like everyone of the peeps on this forum but what I can say for certainty and what I've been saying all along is that SLI/CF doesn't matter to the devs as MGPU users are in the absolute minority, It would be great if they catered but the reality of it is that they don't have to because the majority of their audience uses 1 x GPU.

Again I'm not condoning it but it's just the way it is until more people start using MGPU and devs start supporting it on all their titles.

Kaapstad · 21 Nov 2015 at 16:20

Big Pascal will not be fast enough to max out all current games @2160p never mind upcoming games.

DX12 will bring even more demands on the hardware if used to the max with all the bells and whistles.

Any game dev that ignores the above points are going to find themselves at a big disadvantage going forward.

As to SLI if NVidia use this as a selling point they should make every effort to support it or they will find themselves losing market share to AMD when the next gen of cards arrives.

The bottom line is NVidia and the game devs between themselves have make a total mess of this game and people should start being a lot more critical of this level of service.

TWIMTBP.

Dicehunter · 21 Nov 2015 at 16:26

Kaapstad said:
Big Pascal will not be fast enough to max out all current games @2160p never mind upcoming games.

DX12 will bring even more demands on the hardware if used to the max with all the bells and whistles.

Any game dev that ignores the above points are going to find themselves at a big disadvantage going forward.

As to SLI if NVidia use this as a selling point they should make every effort to support it or they will find themselves losing market share to AMD when the next gen of cards arrives.

The bottom line is NVidia and the game devs between themselves have make a total mess of this game and people should start being a lot more critical of this level of service.

TWIMTBP.

Well people were hence the huge amount of refunds

humbug · 21 Nov 2015 at 16:36

Kaapstad said:
Big Pascal will not be fast enough to max out all current games @2160p never mind upcoming games.

DX12 will bring even more demands on the hardware if used to the max with all the bells and whistles.

Any game dev that ignores the above points are going to find themselves at a big disadvantage going forward.

As to SLI if NVidia use this as a selling point they should make every effort to support it or they will find themselves losing market share to AMD when the next gen of cards arrives.

The bottom line is NVidia and the game devs between themselves have make a total mess of this game and people should start being a lot more critical of this level of service.

TWIMTBP.

With 80% of the GPU market share being Nvidia and this being an Nvidia sponsored Game your going to find far more people defending it than criticising it.

Tribalism is short sighted.

Gregster · 21 Nov 2015 at 16:36

Kaapstad said:
Big Pascal will not be fast enough to max out all current games @2160p never mind upcoming games.

DX12 will bring even more demands on the hardware if used to the max with all the bells and whistles.

Any game dev that ignores the above points are going to find themselves at a big disadvantage going forward.

As to SLI if NVidia use this as a selling point they should make every effort to support it or they will find themselves losing market share to AMD when the next gen of cards arrives.

The bottom line is NVidia and the game devs between themselves have make a total mess of this game and people should start being a lot more critical of this level of service.

TWIMTBP.

I thought the game was superb but the way it was handled wasn't and I and many people gave our opinions on it but I think if you are that unhappy Kaap, you should be taking it up with the devs and posting on their official forums. I buy games for enjoyment and at present, I am enjoying my games far more than I have done in a long time and I put this down to not having any issues to speak of. No microstutter annoying me, no waiting on SLI profiles and performance gains, no running MSI AB to make sure everything is working as it should and just firing up the games and playing. I hope that DX12 brings multi GPU support with ease and without issues but having seen how Mantle was quite slow to get CF at times (not a dig at AMD btw), I am not sold on that being done too quickly now it is in the developers hands.

Kaapstad · 21 Nov 2015 at 16:53

humbug said:
With 80% of the GPU market share being Nvidia and this being an Nvidia sponsored Game your going to find far more people defending it than criticising it.

Tribalism is short sighted.

The problem with a company getting 80% of the market is they stop listening to their customers and just take them for granted.

I once worked for a company who managed to reach 51% market share and then just took their customers for granted with high prices and poor products. This company was a household name with a brand that had a reputation for quality. Unfortunately for them customers realised they were just overpriced with a poor product line and competitors stepped in with better quality products at one end and cheaper products at the other end.

The company I am talking about is still in existence but with hugely reduced market share and greatly reduced prices. It is now the customers who take them for granted.

The problem with a big market share is companies become arrogant and lazy, this is something that seems to be happening to NVidia.

Kaapstad · 21 Nov 2015 at 16:57

Gregster said:
I thought the game was superb but the way it was handled wasn't and I and many people gave our opinions on it but I think if you are that unhappy Kaap, you should be taking it up with the devs and posting on their official forums.

The best way to take it up with the devs is to not buy anymore of their product.

Posting on official forums is a waste of time as people are ignored anyway.

Gregster · 21 Nov 2015 at 17:08

Kaapstad said:
The best way to take it up with the devs is to not buy anymore of their product.

Posting on official forums is a waste of time as people are ignored anyway.

Ok

humbug · 21 Nov 2015 at 17:12

Kaapstad said:
The problem with a company getting 80% of the market is they stop listening to their customers and just take them for granted.

I once worked for a company who managed to reach 51% market share and then just took their customers for granted with high prices and poor products. This company was a household name with a brand that had a reputation for quality. Unfortunately for them customers realised they were just overpriced with a poor product line and competitors stepped in with better quality products at one end and cheaper products at the other end.

The company I am talking about is still in existence but with hugely reduced market share and greatly reduced prices. It is now the customers who take them for granted.

The problem with a big market share is companies become arrogant and lazy, this is something that seems to be happening to NVidia.

The quality of ones products is all but irrelevant, all that matters is the perception of your products, so here is the thing, do you see this massive Nvidia user base complain about the lack of SLI? no, they would much rather talk about how wonderful Nvidia and the games they sponsor are.

Nvidia can do what they like and they know it, they have a massive following eating out of their hand, it will take a hell of a lot more than missing SLI to make them critical, Nvidia do worse than SLI in pretty much all their sponsored games, having said that most of their users don't even realise it.

Gregster · 21 Nov 2015 at 17:16

What complete drivel Humbug.

tommybhoy · 21 Nov 2015 at 17:23

Kaap, EVERY GE/TWIMTBP endorsed title should have working mgpu support, to miss release is shoddy enough, but none full stop is a slap in the face.

They slap their brand on almost every AAA title, AMD/Nvidia should have ZERO excuse for not having mgpu support.

Don't reward AMD/Nvidia with mgpu sales if they let you down, don't REWARD them with any amounts>1

but can appreciate that would be like coming off class A's in your case

Gregster said:
What complete drivel Humbug.

You probably don't notice the rampant ones in here to know who he's talking about.

Gregster · 21 Nov 2015 at 17:30

My wife and I often go the the Cinema and watch many films, it costs me £27 each time for the film and at times I have seen some utter **** but do I look at the Director/Producers/Sponsors and never watch another film by them or do I wait for reviews and see what is what? In the instance of games, wait and see if mGPU is supported and if not, don't buy it and that would indeed hurt the company is my advice.

humbug · 21 Nov 2015 at 17:34

You can take this argument from Greg and apply it to this

Gregster said:
Do people still genuinely think that the Iphone is the best and grab only that? I work with so many people with phones and there is only a couple who have an Iphone and 95% of these guys are not tech savvy but get what they think is best.

How many people who buy into PC Gaming are actually tech savy?

For those that aren't they rely on what they are told and what they read,
How much negativity are they likely to come across on the AMD side vs that Nvidia side, so out of every 10 of those users how many buy AMD or Nvidia?

This is the problem when you already have a very unbalanced situation, its almost irreversible because you see far more negativity surrounding the smaller side, it requires the Nvidia side to be much more balanced in their praise and criticisms of both sides, thats not going to happen.

Gregster · 21 Nov 2015 at 17:42

humbug said:
You can take this argument from Greg and apply it to this

How many people who buy into PC Gaming are actually tech savy?

For those that aren't they rely on what they are told and what they read,
How much negativity are they likely to come across on the AMD side vs that Nvidia side, so out of every 10 of those users how many buy AMD or Nvidia?

This is the problem when you already have a very unbalanced situation, its almost irreversible because you see far more negativity surrounding the smaller side, it requires the Nvidia side to be much more balanced in their praise and criticisms of both sides, thats not going to happen.

What does that have to do with mGPU? Don't turn this into an AMD Vs Nvidia thread Humbug and we are discussing what is right or wrong with developers and how they treat their customers. Plenty of other threads for that talk.

Ian Evey · 21 Nov 2015 at 17:44

setter said:
I've recently went from sli 780 to a single 980ti. Grunt wise its a sideways move. But far less hassle. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of sli when it works well and have used many different cards in sli over the years. But like some are saying, often you do feel that support isn't as good as it could be. Hopefully things improve with new API's such as DX12 as I probably will go sli again at some point.

humbug said:
You can take this argument from Greg and apply it to this

How many people who buy into PC Gaming are actually tech savy?

For those that aren't they rely on what they are told and what they read,
How much negativity are they likely to come across on the AMD side vs that Nvidia side, so out of every 10 of those users how many buy AMD or Nvidia?

This is the problem when you already have a very unbalanced situation, its almost irreversible because you see far more negativity surrounding the smaller side, it requires the Nvidia side to be much more balanced in their praise and criticisms of both sides, thats not going to happen.

I would actually think more people on overclockers recommend amd than nvidia.

humbug · 21 Nov 2015 at 17:45

390 vs 970 yes i would agree with that ^^^^^

Gregster said:
What does that have to do with mGPU? Don't turn this into an AMD Vs Nvidia thread Humbug and we are discussing what is right or wrong with developers and how they treat their customers. Plenty of other threads for that talk.

Calm down Greg i'm not talking to you i'm in a conversation with Kaap.

Gregster · 21 Nov 2015 at 18:19

humbug said:
390 vs 970 yes i would agree with that ^^^^^

Calm down Greg i'm not talking to you i'm in a conversation with Kaap.

You quoted me and even grabbed a post from a complete different thread :confused:

Dicehunter · 21 Nov 2015 at 18:55

Kaapstad said:
The best way to take it up with the devs is to not buy anymore of their product.

Posting on official forums is a waste of time as people are ignored anyway.

Then stop buying 4 of every GPU

Practice what you preach bud

Mayh3M · 21 Nov 2015 at 20:15

It's not good enough to just say 'minority=non-priority'. You can't just look at the industry in terms of where it is right now, you have to look at where it's headed. The vast majority of gamers right now play on <1080p panels with GPUs that have less power than a 970. Does that mean it's reasonable that anyone with more powerful systems should be a low priority?

The reality is that high resolution, high refresh rate panels are being pushed harder and harder, and Nvidia themselves are pushing features that indirectly necessitate the power of SLI systems, especially with regards to DSR and Gameworks.

Kaap was spot on: the fact that Nvidia themselves sponsored this game should have made SLI absolutely a priority. They failed and should be called out.

Final8y · 21 Nov 2015 at 21:05

+1

Mayh3M said:
Kaap was spot on: the fact that Nvidia themselves sponsored this game should have made SLI absolutely a priority. They failed and should be called out.

A sponsored game that would benefit from Multi GPU should have Multi GPU support period, that goes for AMD as well and even more so with the push for 4K and VR.