'BBC considering ditching Legard'

Brundle has been around for a long time, I'm unsure why people feel that he cannot do the lead role

Brundle wouldn't have any problem - he effectively led the commentary with Legard other than recapping positions etc.

The question mark is really over Coulthard, I'd imagine it will either work or not - a few years ago when Button did commentary for a few races when BAR were serving a ban he fitted into the role without prior experience, so there is no reason to think the same couldn't happen with Coulthard who at least has two years of broadcast experience, dealing with directors notes over earpieces etc.
 
He means he can't see one tech guy (read: expert) ask the other a question mid race when they already know the answer to the question.

It is really likely to be the main point of failure I think, where Leggard will ask Brundle questions to stimulate his input from the perspective of an ex driver, with Brundle and DC there won't be similar opportunity for this sort of thing. It'll be on Brundle's shoulders to sort this though and I suspect he'll be able to work around any issues.

If they come up with a point they want to convey, they don't have to ask a question (that they knew the answer to anyway) they can just convey the point.

They can still ask questions related opinions on strategy etc.
 
Brundle has been around for a long time, I'm unsure why people feel that he cannot do the lead role

Generally speaking over the years, we have tended to have 2 commentators.

Commentator1: This guy doesn't have a technical background and has probably never driven race cars, however, he is a commentator by profession. His job is that of a presenter and bridges the gap to inform the audience of what is actually going on the track, in layman's terms. His job is also to bring some excitement to the proceedings. Murray Walker was good at this. No one expects this guy to be technically correct all the time. This guy must have charisma and likeability is important.

Commentator2: This guy is usually a former F1 driver. His technical knowledge is sound and if ever Commentator1 needs assistance in explaining to the audience exactly what a technical term means or even to simply provide an in-sight of what goes on inside a team or a driver's head, this guy will provide this information. Most of the time, Commentor2 will sound less exciting, will have less charisma and will be less likeable.

The idea of having 2 different types of commentator, is that the 2, together, will cover all the bases when it comes to informing the public of what is going on the track.

If you are a casual F1 viewer, then you probably won't understand much of what Commentator2 is talking about. But then, you don't care. You merely want to a charismatic commentator (1) to inform you of what is going on.

If you are a hardcore F1 viewer, chances are that everything that Commentator1 says - you already know. hence, in order to provide greater insight, you will more than likely want to hear from Commentator2. Notice that on this forum, where there are many hardcore F1 viewers (to be posting on an F1 forum, you probably are hardcore), most people dislike Commentator1. There was much hatred towards James Allen (when he was Commenator1 on ITV). Then we had Leggard who was Commentator1 and he is also hated. My suspicion is that if you were to ask casual F1 viewers who they prefer, they will probably say Leggard, simply because he brings some excitement and talks in simple terms.

Now, if you have 2 of the same types of commentators, you risk alienating one group of viewers. For this reason, it makes sense to have 1 techie (Brundle) and one professional commentator (someone like Croft would be good for this).

Notice that Coulthard talks in a very matter of fact (factual) way. He rarely shows passion or excitement in his voice (even when he is excited). Brundle is similar, though not as extreme.

For all of the above reasons, some people are a little sceptical about having 2 technical commentators on the team.
 
Brundle has enough experience to grow into the lead role though, we would be doing a great disservice to the man to not give him that chance and to assume that he cannot do it
 
Brundles commentary on pole position laps conveys plenty of emotion and excitement - he provides plenty of colour to the proceedings.

Would he be able to allow Coulthard his own niche though.

Possibly they could have Brundle commentate on the on-screen action - with Coulthard bringing in the relevent action going on off-camera.
 
He means he can't see one tech guy (read: expert) ask the other a question mid race when they already know the answer to the question.

It is really likely to be the main point of failure I think, where Leggard will ask Brundle questions to stimulate his input from the perspective of an ex driver, with Brundle and DC there won't be similar opportunity for this sort of thing. It'll be on Brundle's shoulders to sort this though and I suspect he'll be able to work around any issues.

this is what i ment, sorry i used the wrong word.
 
I would also suspect that Brundle might know a bit more from the "letter of the law" point of view, which he would have got from his extensive commentary - that DC might not know (to the nth degree)

As per my last post - Im fully for the MB / DC combo to be given a good try , I think it would work very well (with MB being the main commentator)

I really hope it comes about
 
Notice that on this forum, where there are many hardcore F1 viewers (to be posting on an F1 forum, you probably are hardcore), most people dislike Commentator1. There was much hatred towards James Allen (when he was Commenator1 on ITV). Then we had Leggard who was Commentator1 and he is also hated. My suspicion is that if you were to ask casual F1 viewers who they prefer, they will probably say Leggard, simply because he brings some excitement and talks in simple terms.

The trouble is, a lot of that dislike isn't based on commentary role they fill but more the fact they're crap at it. Crofty fills the same role but doesn't garner the same disrespect, why? Because he's not an inept gimp and can actually do his job properly.

Let these people listen to race commentated by Leggard and then Crofty and I suspect they'd no longer be picking Leggard, if they ever did, I have my doubts. He really is rubbish, he confuses replays with live action, he misses blindingly obvious pieces of information etc. he's just not very good at what he is tasked with doing.
 
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Let these people listen to race commentated by Leggard and then Crofty and I suspect they'd no longer be picking Leggard, if they ever did, I have my doubts. He really is rubbish, he confuses replays with live action, he misses blindingly obvious pieces of information etc. he's just not very good at what he is tasked with doing.

Exactly the same as Murray bloody Walker! I've never understood why people feel willing to uphold incompetence because of enthusiasm. For years I was passing the EXACT same comments in his direction yet today he is seen as some form of god when in reality he was BLOODY USELESS at commentating and annoying as hell from the 70's through to his retirement, something I know as my dad and I spent those years swearing at him every few minutes. Leggard is crap, get him gone and get Crofty or Edwards in. I don't want DC, he is corporate and bland. Keep Brundle and get him a solid commentating partner who isn't boring or useless!
 
Exactly the same as Murray bloody Walker! I've never understood why people feel willing to uphold incompetence because of enthusiasm. For years I was passing the EXACT same comments in his direction yet today he is seen as some form of god when in reality he was BLOODY USELESS at commentating and annoying as hell from the 70's through to his retirement, something I know as my dad and I spent those years swearing at him every few minutes. Leggard is crap, get him gone and get Crofty or Edwards in. I don't want DC, he is corporate and bland. Keep Brundle and get him a solid commentating partner who isn't boring or useless!

While Im not wishing to say your opinion doesnt count - I would be willing to bet that majority of regular F1 viewers enjoyed MW a huge amount more than either Legard or James Allen

MW was regularly inciteful and informative - certainly something you could rarely if ever level at Legard (and JA was just highly annoying). Partly through his excitement and partly through what he was actually saying MW had a natural abvility to bring the viewer INTO the action (imo) whereas the last two main commmentators repeat what your are actually seeing (and therefore were largely redundant)

Yes he did make mistakes, Im not questioning that - some of them were just amusing others were frustrating , but I would also suggest that thats the nature of commentating such a fast paced live sport (there are enough profesional football commentators that regularly make similar mistakes, and while I dont follow it I would bet it happens in horse racing and a lot of other sports also)

Please dont take this personally - but I would also say that the fact your father was of the same mindset kind of indicates bias as well (not exactly completely independantly brought about thinking imo) :)
 
A lot of hatred is being directed towards Leggard on this forum.

BTW. Before commentating on F1 on TV, what did Leggard do?
 
While Im not wishing to say your opinion doesnt count - I would be willing to bet that majority of regular F1 viewers enjoyed MW a huge amount more than either Legard or James Allen

MW was regularly inciteful and informative - certainly something you could rarely if ever level at Legard (and JA was just highly annoying). Partly through his excitement and partly through what he was actually saying MW had a natural abvility to bring the viewer INTO the action (imo) whereas the last two main commmentators repeat what your are actually seeing (and therefore were largely redundant)

Yes he did make mistakes, Im not questioning that - some of them were just amusing others were frustrating , but I would also suggest that thats the nature of commentating such a fast paced live sport (there are enough profesional football commentators that regularly make similar mistakes, and while I dont follow it I would bet it happens in horse racing and a lot of other sports also)

Please dont take this personally - but I would also say that the fact your father was of the same mindset kind of indicates bias as well (not exactly completely independantly brought about thinking imo) :)

I've had lunch with Murray Walker, the bloke is nice the commentator is a pain in the ass. Not my dad's opinion but mine, though it is only an opinion, though a fact is that he was often talking not commentating on what was happening in front of him and to me that's not endearing it's annoying.

Each to their own. :)
 
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A lot of hatred is being directed towards Leggard on this forum.

BTW. Before commentating on F1 on TV, what did Leggard do?

He did it on the radio, hence why he is good at telling us what is happening on screen, but we don't need that as we can see for ourselves. We need info on what we can't see.
 
I think Brundle could pull of the main commentator role well enough. He's intelligent, likable and has a good eye for what's happening on the track. Not too sure on DC as his wingman, but the two of them do have decent chemistry I guess.

MW was regularly inciteful and informative

He was? Since when?

Murray Walker was constantly mixing things up, getting confused, shouting stuff out excitedly, and nearly all the other things people hate about Legard. Difference is he had a charisma that made a lot of people forgive him, me included.
 
Late in murray walker's career those things annoyed me, but earlier in his career it wasn't nearly so bad, and his knowledge, charisma and infectious enthusiasm more than made up for it. On the other hand if you took away Legard's mistakes, he'd still be a poor commentator.

Not at all convinced about having coulthard in the commentary box, doubly so since it will mean two drivers commentating. That said, I'll take anyone over Legard at this point.
 
I think that it has been long enough since brundle sat behind the wheel, that he would make a good 'colour' commentator, he has certainly shown in the last few years that he has felt 'trapped' within the confines of the inane prattle by legard, maybe legard is decent on radio, but on television, we don't need someone telling us every 30 seconds, who is in what position, and a lot of the time gets it wrong anyway.

Would DC make a good 'technical' commentator? no, I'm sorry, but he wont, he's still too much a redbull lapdog.

Who would make for a good alternative? I'd like to say that Karun would, but he still deserves a proper shot at driving, the treatment that he got from HRT last year was dire in the extreme. Crofty, quite possibly, but I think the combination of him and Davidson shouldn't be broken, which leaves who I wonder.. I really don't know.
 
I think that it has been long enough since brundle sat behind the wheel, that he would make a good 'colour' commentator
I was thinking exactly that earlier, but he still drives other cars, just not F1 cars.
he has certainly shown in the last few years that he has felt 'trapped' within the confines of the inane prattle by legard
Yeah it was starting to show in 2010 I think how Legard just wound Brundle up at times.

on television, we don't need someone telling us every 30 seconds, who is in what position, and a lot of the time gets it wrong anyway.
I dunno, makes the races a bit more interesting when you know more than one of the commentators. :D

Would DC make a good 'technical' commentator? no, I'm sorry, but he wont, he's still too much a redbull lapdog.
And that's what made me think that Brundle shouldn't be accompanied by another driver like DC. Coulthard is too closely linked to a current F1 team to be properly impartial and whilst DC might be better than Legard if we get DC in 2011 I think we'll get fed up of a driver or team being compared to Vettel/Webber/RBR.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing them move to a three person team with Davidson, Croft and Brundle but I suspect there isn't enough room in the boxes for that to be feasible.
 
Croft and Davidson are the dream ticket for me, let Brundle join Jake and Eddie presenting and send Coulthard packing to the Red Bull garage.
 
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