Belgian Grand Prix 2014, Spa-Francorchamps - Race 12/19

cu3ed · 24 Aug 2014 at 16:21

dannyjo22 said:
Rubbish, he could have just as easily damaged his own car and done none to lewis car. Last race of the season while needing to win on points maybe, 8 races to go. No chance.

You can say that, but its nearly ludicrous to deny that he didn't know where that front wing was at that speed in the corner, pretending to fight for a place he already lost.

lol, Nico trying to blame British Media, yea Nico, that's what it is, don't listen to you own bosses.

drunkenmaster · 24 Aug 2014 at 16:24

Mag 20 second penalty so he's way down

not quite sure what it was for as in, was it for the Alonso off track down the straight or the hairpin and not leaving much space, I presume the down the straight bit. Haven't really seen a good replay of it. Did he go right, leave space then push Alonso off or did he move right, not leave space and Alonso decided to go that side anyway?

If you leave space a driver uses it and you push him off that should be penalised, but if he moved over first then Alonso went off track himself it would be Alonso's, I have a feeling it was the former but can't remember.

dannyjo22 · 24 Aug 2014 at 16:24

cu3ed said:
You can say that, but its nearly ludicrous to deny that he didn't know where that front wing was at that speed in the corner, pretending to fight for a place he already lost.

Yeah every single driving error where a driver has been over enthusiastic causing them to lose a front wing has been done because they just had to stop the driver in front.

Rosberg made a numpty error, nothing more. He probably panicked, he couldn't let Lewis get away and he broke. Happens probably 20 times per season I imagine.

drunkenmaster · 24 Aug 2014 at 16:25

lol, doing ice bucket thing on BBC, susie wearing a white shirt so she's putting something else on top so she doesn't go all seethrough/nipply

cu3ed · 24 Aug 2014 at 16:26

dannyjo22 said:
Yeah every single driving error where a driver has been over enthusiastic causing them to lose a front wing has been done because they just had to stop the driver in front.

Rosberg made a numpty error, nothing more. He probably panicked, he couldn't let Lewis get away and he broke. Happens probably 20 times per season I imagine.

So what...your now saying he did do it on purpose?

If you watch how he backs of then goes back and turns in, its a very deliberate move.

deuse · 24 Aug 2014 at 16:28

Roll on next race.

Kamerad · 24 Aug 2014 at 16:29

cu3ed said:
So what...your now saying he did do it on purpose?

If you watch how he backs of then goes back and turns in, its a very deliberate move.

If that was true why is no one else claiming this. He turns in to stay on track.

IPBA · 24 Aug 2014 at 16:44

Jono8 said:
Rosberg was never alongside. He only got near to being along side because he braked loads later than Lewis. He then had nowhere to go. He should have just taken the run off like vettel did when he failed that move on the 1st lap.

ThestigGT999 said:
ok if you say so...

Why the rolleyes, its as clear as day he was never alongside Lewis. The photo below shows how much alongside he was just before the incident.

cu3ed · 24 Aug 2014 at 16:46

Kamerad said:
If that was true why is no one else claiming this. He turns in to stay on track.

Because it was 100% avoidable.

this_is_gav · 24 Aug 2014 at 16:47

drunkenmaster said:
Mag 20 second penalty so he's way down

not quite sure what it was for as in, was it for the Alonso off track down the straight or the hairpin and not leaving much space, I presume the down the straight bit. Haven't really seen a good replay of it. Did he go right, leave space then push Alonso off or did he move right, not leave space and Alonso decided to go that side anyway?

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvz08XWCYAAfV-2.jpg:large

I've not seen a replay myself, but surely Alonso, one of the best drivers in the world, would drive that far onto the grass voluntarily. Magnussen was very robust in all of his defending in the latter half of the race, and a few of his moves were questionable.

ThestigGT999 · 24 Aug 2014 at 16:51

IPBA said:
Why the rolleyes, its as clear as day he was never alongside Lewis. The photo below shows how much alongside he was just before the incident.

and before that they were

Jono8 · 24 Aug 2014 at 16:53

ThestigGT999 said:
ok if you say so...

? It's true.

FrankJH · 24 Aug 2014 at 16:53

this_is_gav said:
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvz08XWCYAAfV-2.jpg:large

I've not seen a replay myself, but surely Alonso, one of the best drivers in the world, would drive that far onto the grass voluntarily. Magnussen was very robust in all of his defending in the latter half of the race, and a few of his moves were questionable.

+1

Personally I think rosberg / Hamilton was a racing incident and they are both at fault

Did Hamilton HAVE to cross right in front of Rosberg right then - a couple of metres down wouldnt have lost him the place and apart from going off track Rosberg had nowhere to go (without breaking hard, which he wasnt likely to do and shouldnt have to)

Think the teams comments are a little OTT as the stewards didnt find anything wrong (of course team members shouldnt come together, but to blame everything on one driver when there wasnt a stewards inquiry is too much imo)

drunkenmaster · 24 Aug 2014 at 17:00

ThestigGT999 said:
and before that they were

Before doesn't matter, the contact was after that picture, not before it. Hamilton was behind him at the start, also irrelevant. At that point Hamiltons line is as with all corners, moving from the inside to outside even though he's turning right the whole time. his line doesn't deviate and it's predictable. Again from the video you can clearly see Rosberg turn to avoid Hamilton, then turn back, the turning back causes contact, nothing else, it's 100% Rosberg's fault.

His intention is the key thing, most people believe he didn't intend to hit him, he just intended to turn in behind Hamilton and he got it completely wrong. The action, turning right, was entirely Rosberg's and that is what caused the contact.

Outcast · 24 Aug 2014 at 17:02

I really really hope DR performs a miracle and takes the WDC

That Red Bull chassis is still leagues ahead of anything else out there. Only they could get away with relying so much on mechanical grip instead of aero.

I'm hoping amongst hope that this years McLarens chassis is actually balanced for the incoming Honda engine and that's why they are slow.

drunkenmaster · 24 Aug 2014 at 17:03

FrankJH said:
+1

Personally I think rosberg / Hamilton was a racing incident and they are both at fault

Did Hamilton HAVE to cross right in front of Rosberg right then - a couple of metres down wouldnt have lost him the place and apart from going off track Rosberg had nowhere to go (without breaking hard, which he wasnt likely to do and shouldnt have to)

Hamilton didn't choose to cut across Rosberg, a natural line through every corner is to move to the outside, that is how cars turn, watch any other lap and it will be the same. Hamilton took the corner at an appropriate speed, exited the corner with the clear lead and part of leaving the corner is the car moving to that side naturally. You can't choose to magically turn tighter just because you want to at that same speed. He could have tightened the turn but that would have required unexpectedly slowing to make that kind of turn, which would have had Rosberg smash into the back of him anyway.

The line was expected, Rosberg would have 100% expected Hamilton to follow that line and he turned away to leave room.. then turned back in to him.

this_is_gav · 24 Aug 2014 at 17:04

FrankJH said:
+1

Personally I think rosberg / Hamilton was a racing incident and they are both at fault

Did Hamilton HAVE to cross right in front of Rosberg right then - a couple of metres down wouldnt have lost him the place and apart from going off track Rosberg had nowhere to go (without breaking hard, which he wasnt likely to do and shouldnt have to)

Think the teams comments are a little OTT as the stewards didnt find anything wrong (of course team members shouldnt come together, but to blame everything on one driver when there wasnt a stewards inquiry is too much imo)

It might sound like a bit of a love-in, but I agree entirely with that.

Plus, depending on when he did it, if Rosberg simply stood on the quiet pedal he might have locked up and gone into the Hamilton harder than he did.

It was clumsy, it was ill-advised, but both should have some blame apportioned on them and I think when the team revisit it tomorrow their stance may well have mellowed.

cu3ed · 24 Aug 2014 at 17:04

FrankJH said:
+1

Personally I think rosberg / Hamilton was a racing incident and they are both at fault

Did Hamilton HAVE to cross right in front of Rosberg right then - a couple of metres down wouldnt have lost him the place and apart from going off track Rosberg had nowhere to go (without breaking hard, which he wasnt likely to do and shouldnt have to)

Think the teams comments are a little OTT as the stewards didnt find anything wrong (of course team members shouldnt come together, but to blame everything on one driver when there wasnt a stewards inquiry is too much imo)

You mean when he was ahead and taking the drivers line like everyone else would do!?

Cant even see how anyone could say it was Hamiltons fault!?

When the team boss is walking out like hes about to take your head off and publically say what he has, you got it wrong.

sunama · 24 Aug 2014 at 17:05

Rosberg extends his lead.
I stated this many times already - Hamilton has the speed. Rosberg has the intelligence.
And speed doesnt always win.

If Rosberg attempts to "race" and out pace Hamilton, he is likely to lose the title. Rosberg (with his high intelligence knows this). So, Rosberg is going to use other techniques which will allow him to gain the advantage on Hamilton.

We saw this at Monaco, which IMO was very clever. Someone with an average IQ simply would not have been able to do what Rosberg did at Monaco. Hamilton though, knew exactly what Rosberg did.

Rosberg just seems to know how to extend and protect his championship lead. Hamilton keeps trying to use brute speed to claw himself back...but right now, it isnt working.

FWIW, Hamilton fans should not despair, though. Hamilton still has that brute speed to call upon. And Rosberg won't always be able to do what he did in Monaco or today. For sure, he will think up new "tricks", but Hamilton has the brute speed and lets not forget - double points in the last race of the season.

FrankJH · 24 Aug 2014 at 17:05

drunkenmaster said:
Hamilton didn't choose to cut across Rosberg, a natural line through every corner is to move to the outside, that is how cars turn, watch any other lap and it will be the same. Hamilton took the corner at an appropriate speed, exited the corner with the clear lead and part of leaving the corner is the car moving to that side naturally. You can't choose to magically turn tighter just because you want to at that same speed. He could have tightened the turn but that would have required unexpectedly slowing to make that kind of turn, which would have had Rosberg smash into the back of him anyway.

The line was expected, Rosberg would have 100% expected Hamilton to follow that line and he turned away to leave room.. then turned back in to him.

Rosberg's car didnt move from the line he was on, LH's was the one that was moving (even if he was ahead)

and yes LH KNEW Rosberg was there and knew how close he was, he MUST have known there was a risk of contact against rosberg's wing

cu3ed said:
When the team boss is walking out like hes about to take your head off and publically say what he has, you got it wrong.

IF Rosberg got it so wrong why was there no penalty during the race........