Belgium Grand Prix 2010, Spa-Francorchamps Circuit - Race 13/19

ITs very very rare to see a car clearly behind, lose it, spin and hit the car infront.
This I disagree with. You often see the rear car lose it in or just before a braking zone and hit the car in front. Not always combined with a spin, but it does happen reasonably often

Incredibly daft of people to say its a two horse race, ONE RACE people, Webber and Hamilton have one crash, failure or major problem and the other three finish 1-2-3 and they are basically exactly where they were before this race.

Not close to over.
Now this I do agree with. Championship over for Alonso, Button and Vettel? Not on your life! 6 races left, hundreds of points up for grabs, anything can happen.
 
Why is everybody jumping on Vettel? He made an error. He slammed into Button. Not on purpose. He ruined his own race as well as Button's. It was a racing incident.
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I bet you if someone took out Alonso from SECOND place you would be fuming too - just because its a person you love to slate every chance you get its just "a racing incident" (and the Barrichello incident is irrelevant, 1st corner is always difficult whatever the race track, he was already in a no lose situation as it was due to terrible quali)

Vettel (like everyone) knew it was raining - yet there was NO chance he was going to be able to stop in time to get round the corner, totally lost two people's chance at the title

(and given LH's slide into the gravel - and other incidence- yes JB could still have won today, and MW would have been at best 3rd/4th)

Want to throttle SV right now and I dont expect it to change any time soon - typical "blind" Horner - he is the Arsene Wenger of F1 without doubt

JB could easily have collected really decent points today given all the other events but thanks to a ******* stupid move from an arrogant german JB is practically out of hte running for the title
 
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I look forward to Vettel trying to get past Button by using his car as a weapon and probably failing.

I'm surprised nobody has quoted this yet. Quite some crystal ball you have there :D

Utterly daft move by Mr Vettel but at least this time he had the brains to admit he was at fault and apologise for destroying Buttons race. Gutted for Button, could have thrown things at the TV when Hamilton almost binned it and was in utter joy when Alonso stuck it in the tyres. Crazy race.
 
I'm surprised nobody has quoted this yet. Quite some crystal ball you have there :D

Utterly daft move by Mr Vettel but at least this time he had the brains to admit he was at fault and apologise for destroying Buttons race. Gutted for Button, could have thrown things at the TV when Hamilton almost binned it and was in utter joy when Alonso stuck it in the tyres. Crazy race.

I've not read the rest of this thread, but I'm going to say my bit now, and I'll probably get moaned at for it.

I'd like to know just how it was a daft move? He moved left to try and pass (ok, not a great chance as he would have been down the outside..), the track was wet, the car danced a little and he ended up spearing Button. I doubt Vettel did it on purpose somehow, accidents like that can happen in the wet. He's right to apologise however.

I remember in Belgium a few years ago, Button went to lap Baumgartner who was minding his own business and Button's tyre let go, spearing straight into the side of Baumgartner. Not his fault of course, and not for position, but at speed once the car's gone, you'll be lucky to get it away from where it wants to go.
 
This I disagree with. You often see the rear car lose it in or just before a braking zone and hit the car in front. Not always combined with a spin, but it does happen reasonably often

Totally agree, if you lose it under braking, then you are not scrubbing the speed of at the normal rate. So you will either hit the car in front or shoot past the side of them. Nothing odd at all.

Also agree this is not a 2 man race. Such a shame for button, he was doing very well in a car he was not happy with. It makes it a lot harder for him and vettle, but anything can happen.

I dislike Vettle immensely, he's lucky to be in a great car. I do not rate his driving atm. he's fast out front. But just gets involved in far to many incidences or just gives up until the SC comes out. His attitude sucks more and he is an annoying whinger.

At least Lewis seems to of matured and we haven't seen him whinge in a while.
 
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Good call PinkFloyd, guess we shouldn't be surprised though. :p

Spie, did you take more awesome pics to make us even more jealous and increase our urge to visit Spa next year?

On the subject of that, as anyone out of chance, traveled from say Bristol to Spa for the qualifying and race days? approx cost? If it's relatively affordable, I might be forcing the other half next year :D
 
DNF for Button this race... DNF for Hamilton last race... there's still everything to play for. I'd say everyone down to Alonso still has a pretty good chance.
 
...just because its a person you love to slate every chance you get its just "a racing incident" ...

I challenge you to find a negative comment towards Button, by me, ever since he has been performing well.

I give credit where its due.

If a driver (and this includes Alonso or Hamilton, whom I rate as the best in F1 right now), does badly, I say it. I have no loyalties.

Alonso is rated as the best in F1, but I'm beginning to think that is merely due to his past reputation and not anything he is has done in the last couple of years.

Yes, he was the best in 2005-2007, but since then, he hasnt been performing as the best in F1. Yesterday's poor qualifying was the perfect example. He later compounded it today by spinning when not under pressure.

If Hamilton win's the title this year, it will be hard not to place Hamilton in a class of his own, as the best driver in F1 (without Alonso).

For the record, and I have said this before, if I were putting a team together, Button would be the first driver I would attempt to get...ahead of Hamilton/Alonso. I don't think I can say more than that, without kissing backside.

PS: Vettel's was a racing incident and doesnt warrant the vitriol that is being directed towards him.
 
PS: Vettel's was a racing incident and doesnt warrant the vitriol that is being directed towards him.

Although I agree it was a racing incident. There is a trend he gets himself into these positions more than any other driver. He touches nearly every race. You have to blame him to a certain degree, other drivers just don't get in these situations to begin with. At least not nearly every race.

why did he make such an aggressive movement on a knowingly wet track. Boggles the mind.
 
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DNF for Button this race... DNF for Hamilton last race... there's still everything to play for. I'd say everyone down to Alonso still has a pretty good chance.

How many engines does Alonso have left? Is that going to factor at all?

If Hamilton win's the title this year, it will be hard not to place Hamilton in a class of his own, as the best driver in F1 (without Alonso).

PS: Vettel's was a racing incident and doesnt warrant the vitriol that is being directed towards him.

I don't want to admit it, but I think it's a 2 horse race now. Vettel just cannot stop making horrible errors. Any more mistakes and he's definately a goner. Webber's quick, Hamilton's quick, Button's not quick enough to beat these 2 but very consistent, Alonso... hmm.
 
How many engines does Alonso have left? Is that going to factor at all?



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2, including the new one he used at spa if memory serves. 2 engines to get through 7 races isnt too bad but doesnt leave any headroom for any other failure.

If a driver has to use a 9th engine (ala de la rosa) do they serve one 10 place drop for that engine or a drop for every race he uses that engine?
 
2, including the new one he used at spa if memory serves. 2 engines to get through 7 races isnt too bad but doesnt leave any headroom for any other failure.

If a driver has to use a 9th engine (ala de la rosa) do they serve one 10 place drop for that engine or a drop for every race he uses that engine?

Cheers, I'd lost count. He's pretty much done for then if one blows anytime soon.

I'd like to think it'd be just the once, 10 places per race would seriously mess things up.
 
So does anyone know if Red Bull (and Ferrari) took some of the flex out of their front wings for this race? ;)
 
So is there any news on Red Bulls front wing? Jenson Button seemed fairly confident that it was different during the F1 Forum, could they have re-manufactured it with less flex to pass the new tests?
 
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