Belgium Grand Prix 2010, Spa-Francorchamps Circuit - Race 13/19

Could they? yes, did they is the question. The camera position definitely changed and some have pointed out some possible differences or less flex during the race but its hard to tell.

Much tougher floor tests are being brought in for the next race as well to stop the suspected/suggested flexing floors.

It does seem odd that red bull didnt dominate sector 2 like they were expected to.
 
How many engines does Alonso have left? Is that going to factor at all?

Engine was changed yesterday morning as it's a engine heavy track. They'll fit his 8th and last new engine at Monza, again, another engine killer.

Engine 1 - Bahrain - changed after Qualifying - engine may now only be used in Free Practice sessions or at Abu Dhabi
Engine 2 - Bahrain - Failed
Engine 3 - Australia, Malaysia & China
Engine 4 - Spain, Monaco & Turkey
Engine 5 - Canada, Europe & Great Britain
Engine 6 - Germany & Hungary
Engine 7 - Spa

Only leaves one new engine and whatever mileage is left on the other engines - if any.

Best usage of engines so far goes to Renault - only 5 engines used for both Kubica and Petrov.

Ferrari have also had 7 engine failure across the 3 teams running them. Sadly, Sauber has had 4 of them.
 
So does anyone know if Red Bull (and Ferrari) took some of the flex out of their front wings for this race? ;)

They were moving a bit but far less than before and this is on a track where you would notice it more, with the long straights.
 
That was a great race! Poor show from the Vettel but I'm starting to get used to him hitting the other bits of metal going round his track. At least he apologised and we have a much more even top 3 teams now the wings are fixed. Bring on more racing! Moto2 has been pretty entertaining too! Mmm motorsport.
 
I remember in Belgium a few years ago, Button went to lap Baumgartner who was minding his own business and Button's tyre let go, spearing straight into the side of Baumgartner. Not his fault of course, and not for position, but at speed once the car's gone, you'll be lucky to get it away from where it wants to go.

two very different circumstances

1) Impossible to know when a tyre is about to let go (unless you have a VERY keen feeling for these things and a top quality car - to allow you to feel it) both of which Button didnt have at this time

2) Vettel KNEW it was damp - knew there had already been issues at THAT particular corner, and yet STILL went charging in full steam (no way would he have been able to stop from that distance at that speed in the damp). Plus Vettel has a much better car than Button did then (so the feeling for the particular circumstances should be a lot better)

I challenge you to find a negative comment towards Button, by me, ever since he has been performing well.

PS: Vettel's was a racing incident and doesnt warrant the vitriol that is being directed towards him.

You continually slated Button last season (even though Barrichello rarely did as well with the same equipment) and Im pretty certain you did the same at the beginning of this season even after his wins, putting them down to luck etc - and there are enough people around here who have mentioned the same about your posts re Button for me nto to need to bother searching through endless posts

Yes it DOES deserve the vitriol - in fact Vettel got off lightly, imo he should have got some kind of penalty for the next race (after all he did it to Webber earlier in the season, so its not his 1st "racing incident") - obviously he got penalized today but that doesnt really give him enough penalty (after all RB have REALLY gained by Vettel taking out a competitor for the title). He has had the penalty and so that is that, but doesnt imo mean he doesnt actually deserve something more severe to teach him a lession he should really have already learnt before today but he keeps on and on making the same "mistake"

He is as likely to keep on making stupid moves like that (at least this season) except maybe where MW is concerned, as either way RB win (ie any other car - which is likely to be a competitor for one of the titles), taken out of the race or losing position will by default give RB more points (or lose less which ever way you want to lookat it)

Its also arguable that in 50/50 (at best) situations like today, the other driver is likely to give way simply because they know Vettel is more likely than anyone to actually take them out - done it twice this year after all, whats stopping a 3rd? The other driver is also on for points most likely so its still best to collect the points even if its a few less than are deserved - Vettel cant be trusted to race "fairly", SV hasnt even been given a SUSPENDED ban for x races to stop him doing it again.

Lets just say SV does the same thing agian - they cant ban him straight away (I dont believe) they would have to THEN give him a suspended ban - but still potentially taking another title challanger out of hte race (and to the gain of RB and therefore himself, even if he cant win the title)
 
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two very different circumstances

1) Impossible to know when a tyre is about to let go (unless you have a VERY keen feeling for these things and a top quality car - to allow you to feel it) both of which Button didnt have at this time

2) Vettel KNEW it was damp - knew there had already been issues at THAT particular corner, and yet STILL went charging in full steam (no way would he have been able to stop from that distance at that speed in the damp). Plus Vettel has a much better car than Button did then (so the feeling for the particular circumstances should be a lot better)

button claimed it was bone dry in the post race forum ;)
 
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A picture says a thousand words, as they say :)
 
button claimed it was bone dry in the post race forum ;)

thats bizarre because Im sure that camera shot had (fresh) rain coming down)


stilll doesnt get over the fact he was going too fast to get around the corner (the speed differential in the braking zone was far too much even before the twitch) - or part 1 of my original post :)
 
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Rain on the camera doesnt mean the track was wet or even damp, if it was recently sunny and the rain light it would evaporate off almost instantly.
 
I am with Frank, Vettel himself has to take some responsibility for the incident. There was other circumstances and while I don't think Vettel is completely to blame for the accident, he put himself into a positiong where it could go wrong and it did. He took the risk but it didn't pay off.

This season does seem to be coming down to a title fight between Hamilton and Webber and to be honest, I don't know who I want to win more. Vettel seems to be making too many mistakes or being involved in incidents costing him points, Button on his day is so quick but doesn't seem to be able to drive so quick when it isn't perfect and Alonso just seems to be rubbish.
 
He certainly isnt living up to the hypbe of being the best, most expensive driver in F1.

There certainly have been a lot of mistakes this year from someone is considered by many to be the "best driver" :rolleyes:. Kubica has been seriously impressing though. Ferrari should have taken him over Alonso. I guess they believed the hype too :p
 
I am with Frank, Vettel himself has to take some responsibility for the incident. There was other circumstances and while I don't think Vettel is completely to blame for the accident, he put himself into a positiong where it could go wrong and it did. He took the risk but it didn't pay off.

This season does seem to be coming down to a title fight between Hamilton and Webber and to be honest, I don't know who I want to win more. Vettel seems to be making too many mistakes or being involved in incidents costing him points, Button on his day is so quick but doesn't seem to be able to drive so quick when it isn't perfect and Alonso just seems to be rubbish.

vettel makes mistakes like someone whos only been in f1 for a year or less :S

ralf schumacher was never so bad?
 
Very enjoyable race, plenty of drama and a lot better than some of the races we've had this season. Fantastic start after the summer break!
 
It's interesting that Alguersuari's chicane cutting in front of Liuzzi got him a 20 second time penalty. In the past these incidents haven't been punished by stewards. In fact I'm pretty sure it has happened a few times earlier this season without punishment, despite it being a clear transgression in my eyes. I hope that this sets a new precedent.
 
He certainly isnt living up to the hypbe of being the best, most expensive driver in F1.

The ferrari has just been erratic this season, from race to race it's difficult to predict how good it will be. I think it's harsh to say alonso has been rubbish when he's effectively spent the season tea bagging his team mate. You would struggle to find another driver in a top team laying down as much of a beating to his team mate. Points totals never tell a full story. When you look at each race and his pace relative to his team mate the gap is huge.

He's had a few off weekends but this often happens when the car is being pushed so hard. Some of the mistakes have been the teams some have been his. The engine situation isn't helping him, from so early on in the season he was looking like running out of engines.

I have no doubts what so ever had alonso been driving a car of the class of the red bull the title would have been over long ago. No one can drive around car problems like alonso can or adapt to a bad handling car.

I think as Alonso is such an easy to hate person it's also easy to over look how good he is. Put it this way I fancy him to win again this year, much more likely to happen than Button to win race again.
 
Also I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet but how the hell did massa get away with no penalty despite overshooting his starting postion?

I never saw it, just remember them talking about it in commentary.
 
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