Belgium Grand Prix 2010, Spa-Francorchamps Circuit - Race 13/19

Yeah that should really have been a penalty. A drive through may have been a little harsh at the start of the race as it'd effectively dump him to the back of the field, maybe 10 seconds added to his race time or something.

PlanetF1 suggested that he did it on purpose to get a penalty so that he'd be behind Alonso - so that when the rain came, Alonso wouldn't have to stack up behind Massa in the pits. Little far fetched methinks, even for Ferrari.
 
Spunkey said:
PlanetF1 suggested that he did it on purpose to get a penalty so that he'd be behind Alonso - so that when the rain came, Alonso wouldn't have to stack up behind Massa in the pits. Little far fetched methinks, even for Ferrari.
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Something like this from an F1 team, especially one that has already used team orders, would not surprise me.
 
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CaptainRAVE said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kChqJVjp9U

:eek:

Only just saw this. How on earth did he get away with that? What is to stop half the grid doing that next time?
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Why didn't he get a penalty for that, because he's not Alonso. I'm sorry but that was obvious to Brundle so should have been obvious to the spotters at the start of the GP. I'm sure it wasn't that long ago someone was punished for similar.

I doubt very much Massa did it on purpose, much easier to jump the start or completely miss the box.

Again an amazing lack of consistency from the stewards.
 
Duke said:
How didn't that go unnoticed by the stewards or race director :confused:
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I said at the end of the race I couldn't believe no more was mentioned about it, after brundle clearly could see from commentary that he had over shot.

Mansell was probably too busy telling stories of how great he used to be and races he won despite being half dead.
 
Spunkey said:
That video has now been removed - assuming it's what I think it is, here's an updated one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5naInRFSP7A
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How anybody could even think that RBR were using newer stiffer wings, is beyond me.

That wing was flexing like it were made of rubber.

However, RBR know that their wing will pass all the tests. The FIA need to load the edges of the front wing, with more force.
 
dannyjo22 said:
You don't hope for victories you go out there and take them you great big girls blouse
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Well LH had a huge dose of luck on Sunday (getting out of the gravel trap) not to mention all the other events which resulted in most other competitive cars being out of the race, or in non directly competitive positions to capitalize when LH was there to be attacked.

Every win relies on a bit of luck (and given even the best car of the season has only managed a fraction of their poles total in wins, top two or three rows seems to make less difference this season) so at this point of the Monza weekend "hope" is the best wording


dannyjo22 said:
. Then qualifying 5th with his team mate on pole.
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Qualifying 5th on Saturday didnt hurt Button any on Sunday (and given Spa is the longest lap and there was 1/10th between 3rd and 5th, even the times back this up)

Personally think you are trying to make pretty cheap shots
 
What annoys me most about the flexiwings is that it's clearly to see the wing is flexing when it should not be allowed to do so, the FIA can see this as well but they fail to come up with a good way to test this.

Surely it's possible to calculate the force that the end plates on the wing experience at 300kmh, that is the force the FIA need to use.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Why didn't he get a penalty for that, because he's not Alonso. I'm sorry but that was obvious to Brundle so should have been obvious to the spotters at the start of the GP. I'm sure it wasn't that long ago someone was punished for similar.
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Even one of the commentators thought it was a Ferrari tactic to get Massa behind Alonso right from the start (which of course didnt work after Rubens's misjudgement) - so the only FIA -R (fair spelt the right way for this kind of thing lol) thing to do is to allow Ferrari off the hook completely for stealing 2m? off the grid
 
Don't the cars have some kind of GPS tracker that sort off 'locks' them in place at the start :confused:

I think that is also the system that detects a false start and even if they don't have that it was still very obvious to see.
 
Dutch Guy said:
What annoys me most about the flexiwings is that it's clearly to see the wing is flexing when it should not be allowed to do so, the FIA can see this as well but they fail to come up with a good way to test this.

Surely it's possible to calculate the force that the end plates on the wing experience at 300kmh, that is the force the FIA need to use.
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Assuming it is the aero downforce that is causing it. Some have suggested a layer that flexes in response to an electric field that can be activated for quali/race, but switched off during tests. I don't pretent to understand it, but what I do understand is that there are some seriously clever minds in F1. Adrian Newey being among the best.
 
JRS said:
I'm voting "no penalty".

Keith Collantine is right when he says that we can't have penalties for every driver who loses control by accident and happens to hit someone else. Yes, Vettel has done it more than once. Yes, he's an arrogant little ballbag and it's about time he was taken down a peg or six. But the last time I checked, drive-thru penalties aren't handed out to people just for being arrogant ballbags. They're handed out for breaches of the regulations, and I'm not sure that crash really counts.

It is, however, time someone sat Vettel down and asked him what the **** he thinks he's up to.
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So in your opinion Vettel still deserved points (which he would undoubtedly have got without the drive through) even after causing the avoidable - accident or whatever you want to call it?

Personally that could ONLY be stomached IF the FIA also gave him a racing ban suspended for 1/2 dozen races or something - because Im pretty sure SV will do a similarly .......clumsy......move again.

If he was only affecting his own race then it wouldnt matter a jot - but because in all cases its had a severe affect on the points collection of direct title competitors /teams - somehow the FIA have to teach him to drive with more..... care around other drivers (the FIA have to do it as Red Bull seem to be failing at doing it, and he obviously isnt learning from his own mistakes either)

CaptainRAVE said:
Assuming it is the aero downforce that is causing it. Some have suggested a layer that flexes in response to an electric field that can be activated for quali/race, but switched off during tests. I don't pretent to understand it, but what I do understand is that there are some seriously clever minds in F1. Adrian Newey being among the best.
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Totally agree about Newey (although he also has history of designing highly breakable/unreliable cars also - ie stressing the limits too far)

I still think it should be irrelevant how the flex happens - it does state in plain english in the rules "that at no time the front wing should be under x distance from the track/ground" - and the FIA have plenty of proof the wing is closer to the floor than that - otherwise its highly plausible to design parts to pass the FIA test rather than the rules (which may happen all the time but I still think is very wrong)
 
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CaptainRAVE said:
Some have suggested a layer that flexes in response to an electric field that can be activated for quali/race, but switched off during tests.
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I don't believe that this is true in any way. If RBR are doing this, they are, in no uncertain terms, cheating and attempting to cover up their tracks.

Personally, I think that the FIA needs to simply place greater force on the edges of the front wing (not that the greatest flex is seen at the edge of the wing).
 
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