Belgium Grand Prix 2010, Spa-Francorchamps Circuit - Race 13/19

Qualifying 5th on Saturday didnt hurt Button any on Sunday (and given Spa is the longest lap and there was 1/10th between 3rd and 5th, even the times back this up)

Personally think you are trying to make pretty cheap shots

I'm sick to the back teeth of his constant excuses with car balance, it's getting old fast. His team mate has no such issues. Button starts whinging about car balance while is team mate is able to have the fastest car on the track.

Looking at the fastest lap chart isn't an indication of anything other than for one lap you were fast. It doesn't take into account where your team mate was or the other drivers for the section of the race where you could be fastest. It's a pointless comparison.

The real comparison is where you are to your team mate and race after race Hamilton is having no problems with button.

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Which I find strange considering you have his helmet in your sig.

I find it stranger that you think it should make you a fanboy.

I also have a Mansell helmet yet still know he was a whinging over dramatic nonce at times, I have a JV helmet yet still know his mouth and attitude robbed himself of better things.

Button needs to stop living off those early wins and start putting his team mate under pressure. I get the feeling Hamilton is happy as he knows he has the measure of him. Especially over a season. Hamilton gets on with it while 7 races out of 10 Button is complaining about balance.
 
This is the crux of the matter here.

RBR have a car which passes all the tests, but is breaking the rules (as shown in the videos).

I don't understand why they don't just say to RB if we view video evidence to suggest your car is below limits you will be banned. It doesn't need a static test, it didn't need a static test with Michelins changing shape under load so it shouldn't need one now.

The FIA are dithering to keep the championship alive.
 
The FIA should install a sensor/laser on each end plate and on the front of the undertray that measures the distance to the ground
 
I'm sick to the back teeth of his constant excuses with car balance, it's getting old fast. His team mate has no such issues. Button starts whinging about car balance while is team mate is able to have the fastest car on the track.

His driving style is smooth, a car that is fighting him ruins that. He's a freak in the current F1 grid but Mclaren and his previous employers seem to be happy with that and appreciate his talents.
 
His driving style is smooth, a car that is fighting him ruins that. He's a freak in the current F1 grid but Mclaren and his previous employers seem to be happy with that and appreciate his talents.

And I'm sure hamilton appreciates his talents. I'd be happy with a driver that follows me home in 2nd and takes points away from the chasing pack.
 
And I'm sure hamilton appreciates his talents. I'd be happy with a driver that follows me home in 2nd and takes points away from the chasing pack.

Hamilton (just like any driver), likes a team-mate who is slower than him. Hamilton loved Heikki for this reason.

The only time Hamilton has had serious issues with a team-mate was when he was partnered with Alonso, who, low and behold, was his equal in terms of speed/ability.

If Button steps it up and somehow starts to beat (and pressure) Hamilton, Hamilton will definitely develop a dislike towards Button. The 'happy family' will go out of the window.

Button is a rare personality in F1, where although he has a big ego (all F1 drivers do), he doesnt show it or let it dominate his behaviour. He is a very relaxed character and will do his best to get along with anybody, regardless of whether they are faster than him or not. This and the fact that he is the most reliable driver in F1, bar none, is the reason, why he would be the first driver I would hire, if I were putting together an F1 team. Alonso and Hamilton are interchangeable, so if I couldn't sign one, I would sign the other. Button on the other hand...there is no other driver like him right now.

For Hamilton, Button is his perfect team-mate - he pushes Hamilton hard, but not beyond Hamilton's own limits.
 
Can't wait for the next race. The TV debut of F1 2010 with Jake and Hamilton racing (with a possible Webber in the mix too). Should be good. (this possibly isn't news for the people who read Jake Humphrey's blog). Just hadn't seen it mentioned here.
 
Hamilton (just like any driver), likes a team-mate who is slower than him. Hamilton loved Heikki for this reason.

The only time Hamilton has had serious issues with a team-mate was when he was partnered with Alonso, who, low and behold, was his equal in terms of speed/ability.

If Button steps it up and somehow starts to beat (and pressure) Hamilton, Hamilton will definitely develop a dislike towards Button. The 'happy family' will go out of the window.

Button is a rare personality in F1, where although he has a big ego (all F1 drivers do), he doesnt show it or let it dominate his behaviour. He is a very relaxed character and will do his best to get along with anybody, regardless of whether they are faster than him or not. This and the fact that he is the most reliable driver in F1, bar none, is the reason, why he would be the first driver I would hire, if I were putting together an F1 team. Alonso and Hamilton are interchangeable, so if I couldn't sign one, I would sign the other. Button on the other hand...there is no other driver like him right now.

For Hamilton, Button is his perfect team-mate - he pushes Hamilton hard, but not beyond Hamilton's own limits.

It's hard to believe at times how little time has passed since you wrote Button off a lazy journeyman :p
 
It's hard to believe at times how little time has passed since you wrote Button off a lazy journeyman :p

This would've been before he started winning in last year's BrawnGP car. It was also before he showed tremendous courage to move into Hamilton's team, alongside him - even Alonso wouldn't do something is ballsy as that. It was also before he won 2 races earlier this season and led Hamilton after the opening 4 races.

When a driver has done all of the above in the last 15 months, it is difficult not to give him credit.
 
When Vettel moves right to left in and out of Buttons slip the front wing has a see-saw effect tilting right then left when it hits more resistance.

I think this let his front end lost grip under braking so he went to the outside but to be fair to Vettel, as much as I screamed at the TV he had full opposite lock on before hitting Button. He just shouldn't have been making such a dramatic manoeuvre at such a point. He had the advantage but not enough road. Button and other drivers are thinking mens drivers, they think about the next few corners and where to use their advantage. Vettel and other drivers like Barrichello try and take the advantage as soon as they have it and that's how mistakes are made. F1 is a thinking mans sport and it takes a cross breed of these drivers to take the leading edge. Button showed this last year when the other teams caught up to Brawn and Hamilton is slowly learning the same this season.
 
This would've been before he started winning in last year's BrawnGP car. It was also before he showed tremendous courage to move into Hamilton's team, alongside him - even Alonso wouldn't do something is ballsy as that. It was also before he won 2 races earlier this season and led Hamilton after the opening 4 races.

When a driver has done all of the above in the last 15 months, it is difficult not to give him credit.

My word thats some sucking up, Brawn had the best car by a mile early season with a design simply put that no one else had thought to do within the rules, they had a huge advantage and he won races. AS the car was caught by others, he wasn't even close to the best driver, Hamilton with still a worse car outscored him in the second half of the season IIRC, despite the Brawn still having a pretty large advantage over him.

As for courage, to join a team with more money, after Brawn had rather already shot their load, got lucky and clearly showed almost the least developement throughout the year in terms of car speed as almost every other main contended improved hugely throughout the year, if they'd maintained their developement as well they'd have been as good. Brawn got VERY lucky, and just weren't as good a team. The safe money was on Red Bull, McClaren and ferrari pulling it out and being the best cars again this year....... shockingly thats what happened. He also took a huge paycut to stay at Brawn last year didn't he, so he also likely got a massive massive pay increase to move to McClaren, and as he's spent much of his career being a not particularly good driver at a not particularly good team, or 5, and not particularly well paid it actually made the most sense to secure a new long term contract with a new top team WHILE he was the champion as that would get him the most cash.

Courage, to take a big pay day, yeah, courage?

As for the first 4 races, he didn't show Hamilton's pace at all, a couple dodgey moments, a dodgey decision IIRC to go out to late in a wet qualifying meant Hamilton was way down. Button's first win down to Hamilton/Webber horrible tire decision, in NO WAY down to Button's fantastic driving or matching Hamilton's pace. The race where button's "great tactics" on changing tires was simply being so slow, being so easily passed by Hamilton that he had no other option but to try a new set of tires again, to me doesn't suggest anything but luck.

Thats the thing luck is temporary, good and bad luck. Hamiltons bad luck early season with a few wrong tactical choices stopped happening, and Button's few lucky tactical choices stopped happening and he's now drifting further and further away and looking less competitive in terms of skill and ability to overtake or dominate a race than any of the other top 6 drivers. Frankly Kubica with a better car is putting more racing together.

The simple fact that Button has gotten repeatedly stuck behind slower cars that Hamilton doesn't have problems overtaking suggests whose better.
 
How anybody could even think that RBR were using newer stiffer wings, is beyond me.

That wing was flexing like it were made of rubber.

However, RBR know that their wing will pass all the tests. The FIA need to load the edges of the front wing, with more force.

It's very difficult to simulate the distributed aero loading with a point load using weights. Get the distribution wrong in the test and either the wing will just break or it won't actually see the required load.

The suggestion is that the complete nose is lowering (along with the front of the floor rising) to bring the wing into close contact with the ground. So the flexible bit currently isn't being measured.

Further info here.

That picture of Vettels car with the broken nose may be more revealing than first thought.
 
It's very difficult to simulate the distributed aero loading with a point load using weights. Get the distribution wrong in the test and either the wing will just break or it won't actually see the required load.

The suggestion is that the complete nose is lowering (along with the front of the floor rising) to bring the wing into close contact with the ground. So the flexible bit currently isn't being measured.

Further info here.

That picture of Vettels car with the broken nose may be more revealing than first thought.

Very, very interesting. If true that is absolutely breaking the rules. It will be interesting to see how slow Red Bull go in the next race. Great for McLaren though.
 
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