Soldato
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Bent CPU Pins?
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i dont know how you having the item sent back to you will effect you keeping the money tbh from ebays POV that is.
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Dude just read through this and wanted to say i hope it all works out in the end
"first thing i did was check the cpu pins i took the brown protective plate off (pulled upwards) and could see strait away they were all bent downwards as if somthings been forced down"
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/571/sam0248m.jpg/
I might be wrong, but they aren't "all bent downwards". Some are, but plenty are not.
I've never sold on ebay, and this has told me never to.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/571/sam0248m.jpg/
I might be wrong, but they aren't "all bent downwards". Some are, but plenty are not.
I've never sold on ebay, and this has told me never to.
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Look at the original Picture he took of the "damaged board"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61898718@N04/5631397250/in/photostream/
Even though the image isnt clear, you can clearly tell there is not as much damage to the board as the condition you received it, its clear as soon as you told him you had proof he was scamming he took the screwdriver to it and just hit it a few times, i highly doubt even in the event he put the wrong CPU into it, it would bend the pins all different directions like that, how can ebay not see from the 2 pics that hes done the damage on purpose.
Id personally have ebay rep come read threw this topic, shame they dont care, and they have a "the buyer is always truthful policy"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61898718@N04/5631397250/in/photostream/
Even though the image isnt clear, you can clearly tell there is not as much damage to the board as the condition you received it, its clear as soon as you told him you had proof he was scamming he took the screwdriver to it and just hit it a few times, i highly doubt even in the event he put the wrong CPU into it, it would bend the pins all different directions like that, how can ebay not see from the 2 pics that hes done the damage on purpose.
Id personally have ebay rep come read threw this topic, shame they dont care, and they have a "the buyer is always truthful policy"
Problem is proof isn't it.
Seller can't prove the buyer is lying, or that the motherboard he got back from the buyer is even the same one that was sold in the first place. Seller can't prove the damage he now has on the board wasn't there when it was originally sent, etc. Saying "this is the photo he sent me, it doesn't match the motherboard I sent or received back" means nothing really, for all eBay knows the OP could've taken a photo of a completely different broken motherboard, just as the buyer did, etc.
Obviously we believe the OP but playing Devils Advocate beyond proof of postage and that a parcel sent/received weighed a certain amount how do you go about proving to a third-party (i.e. eBay) the contents and condition, etc?
It's a shame it's ended this way, you really are at the mercy of buyers being honest on eBay, as a seller the odds are stacked against you.
When I sold a PS3 recently on eBay I took photos of every step of the process when packaging it up, including even taking a photo of it on some scales, and the serial number and distinguishing marks on the box. Even with all those precautions the buyer could've told eBay that I had sent him a load of bricks and I'd be fighting a losing battle to prove otherwise. Fortunately (or rather luckily it seems nowadays) it all went smoothly, but I cringe every time now I think about selling a high-value item on there because of threads like this.
Seller can't prove the buyer is lying, or that the motherboard he got back from the buyer is even the same one that was sold in the first place. Seller can't prove the damage he now has on the board wasn't there when it was originally sent, etc. Saying "this is the photo he sent me, it doesn't match the motherboard I sent or received back" means nothing really, for all eBay knows the OP could've taken a photo of a completely different broken motherboard, just as the buyer did, etc.
Obviously we believe the OP but playing Devils Advocate beyond proof of postage and that a parcel sent/received weighed a certain amount how do you go about proving to a third-party (i.e. eBay) the contents and condition, etc?
It's a shame it's ended this way, you really are at the mercy of buyers being honest on eBay, as a seller the odds are stacked against you.
When I sold a PS3 recently on eBay I took photos of every step of the process when packaging it up, including even taking a photo of it on some scales, and the serial number and distinguishing marks on the box. Even with all those precautions the buyer could've told eBay that I had sent him a load of bricks and I'd be fighting a losing battle to prove otherwise. Fortunately (or rather luckily it seems nowadays) it all went smoothly, but I cringe every time now I think about selling a high-value item on there because of threads like this.
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There is no conclusion in this thread anymore. Everybody has tried to help you and there is nothing else to say really, that is why this should be the end of the thread.
I really wished it would have worked out for you.
It's true, it is one person's word against another's. However, me being a sensible chap, who likes to think he knows right from wrong, here's my opinion.......
As neither party can totally prove their case, circumstantial evidence needs to be taken into consideration. Having read the vendor's posts and seen the photographs, I have to side with the vendor. The buyer clearly submitted a fake photo to start off with. He stated (as i stated in a post this morning) that "all pins were bent". The photo submitted by the vendor, on the return of his "faulty" motherboard clearly shows that all pins are not bent. These two pieces of evidence weigh heavily in the vendor's favour. How ebay can side with the buyer is beyond me. If they take 2 minutes to look at the evidence from both parties, they'll surely come to the conclusion that it is the buyer who is almost certainly "trying it on".
Oh, and if the vendor is the guilty party, then how on earth did he do that kind of damage to the socket ? That looks like someone took a screwdriver to it. I can't beleive that the vendor would have done that kind of damage. If he was scamming the buyer, it may have been one or two bent pins being argued about, or even a board that doesn't work, not lots of randomly bent pins.
If find in favour of the vendor.
(Clunk.) < That's the sound of me gavel.
As neither party can totally prove their case, circumstantial evidence needs to be taken into consideration. Having read the vendor's posts and seen the photographs, I have to side with the vendor. The buyer clearly submitted a fake photo to start off with. He stated (as i stated in a post this morning) that "all pins were bent". The photo submitted by the vendor, on the return of his "faulty" motherboard clearly shows that all pins are not bent. These two pieces of evidence weigh heavily in the vendor's favour. How ebay can side with the buyer is beyond me. If they take 2 minutes to look at the evidence from both parties, they'll surely come to the conclusion that it is the buyer who is almost certainly "trying it on".
Oh, and if the vendor is the guilty party, then how on earth did he do that kind of damage to the socket ? That looks like someone took a screwdriver to it. I can't beleive that the vendor would have done that kind of damage. If he was scamming the buyer, it may have been one or two bent pins being argued about, or even a board that doesn't work, not lots of randomly bent pins.
If find in favour of the vendor.
(Clunk.) < That's the sound of me gavel.
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People who have helped might want to see the final outcome.
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Yeah, worth keeping an eye out and becoming one of his buyers.
Buyer can still leave positive and say something negative in the description.
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That really sucks! I hope you manage to get this sorted at no cost to you. Maybe you should pay him a visit. If he is 16 he will probably still live with his parents and maybe you could inform them of the situation face to face?
Just out of curiousity but if he is 16 then the contract between buyer and seller should be void and I thought Ebay had strict age requirements and 18 was the minimum age.
If the account was created by his parents or similar then they would be liable.
If the account was created by his parents or similar then they would be liable.
You know what Jaybee, I might take you up on your offer after all, If you are still offering.
All eBay have said is that I can appeal to the decision that was made, and gave me a set of instructions, but surprise surprise they do not lead me to any option that says 'Appeal', bloody useless they are! They have also already issued the refund and I have to reimburse them, so clearly they lied when they said they were going to look into it again properly.
Looks like Court is the way to go. I can't go to any solicitor until Friday though, so yeah if jaybee if you are willing to go speak with him on my behalf that would be great, let him know I'm not letting this drop, and he might as well spend that money he got back on a lawyer. Would be interested to see what he says though. He might not be a kid though.
I know it seems my word against his, but he is the only one who has been dishonest throughout this whole thing, plus, I have a photo that shows it in perfect condition at one point, so it would make no sense for me to destroy it before I sold it. Plus his photo is different, and even if he sent my board back perfect, I would have nothing to gain by destroying it myself and drawing this out longer than necessary. None of this makes any sense for me to do it.
I'm pretty confident that if/when this goes to court I will win.
And no this is not the end of the thread because this is not the end of the matter. I am going to continue this and take him to court, and as Oliver has said some people have expressed they wish to know the outcome of this. If you are not bothered anymore, don't read it! Plus it is good to have everything documented. This matter is far from over!
All eBay have said is that I can appeal to the decision that was made, and gave me a set of instructions, but surprise surprise they do not lead me to any option that says 'Appeal', bloody useless they are! They have also already issued the refund and I have to reimburse them, so clearly they lied when they said they were going to look into it again properly.
Looks like Court is the way to go. I can't go to any solicitor until Friday though, so yeah if jaybee if you are willing to go speak with him on my behalf that would be great, let him know I'm not letting this drop, and he might as well spend that money he got back on a lawyer. Would be interested to see what he says though. He might not be a kid though.
I know it seems my word against his, but he is the only one who has been dishonest throughout this whole thing, plus, I have a photo that shows it in perfect condition at one point, so it would make no sense for me to destroy it before I sold it. Plus his photo is different, and even if he sent my board back perfect, I would have nothing to gain by destroying it myself and drawing this out longer than necessary. None of this makes any sense for me to do it.
I'm pretty confident that if/when this goes to court I will win.
And no this is not the end of the thread because this is not the end of the matter. I am going to continue this and take him to court, and as Oliver has said some people have expressed they wish to know the outcome of this. If you are not bothered anymore, don't read it! Plus it is good to have everything documented. This matter is far from over!
Caporegime
Taking him to court is going to cost more than the money you've lost.
Good for you
Soldato
Not really, small claims court is cheap, and you can reclaim the costs if you win.