BFG 8800 GTX/GTS arriving at OcUK soon and some images for you all!!

Macro · 27 Oct 2006 at 20:45

nVidia inside.... do, do, di, do....

Intel Core 2 duo with Intel nVidia G80, the way it's supposed to be played...

Hmmm....

Nope, neither lighting my fire, perhaps we need to come up with a new strapline for them....

Naffa · 27 Oct 2006 at 23:42

LoadsaMoney said:
Do you think this will be the last way its meant to be played, as if intels bid is Successfull they may change it to do do do doo.

Hang on... Intel have put a bid in to buy Nvidia now? :confused:

LoadsaMoney · 27 Oct 2006 at 23:50

Not yet, but rumours they are about to here

Naffa · 27 Oct 2006 at 23:55

Well the rumors say that Intel couldn't afford to buy Nvidia... Looks like bs to me.

rippling · 28 Oct 2006 at 00:00

naffa said:
Well the rumors say that Intel couldn't afford to buy Nvidia... Looks like bs to me.

intel could buy nvidia 3 times over, but they have to raise the money first..... liquidate some cash, but i dont think it will happen ,

Naffa · 28 Oct 2006 at 00:02

"This puts a value of $10.7bn on the company, 4.6 times last year's sales and might even strain the resources of Intel, which has $6.4bn in the bank and is currently in the throes of a restructuring."

Yeah obviously...

How can you buy a $10.7bn company with $6.4bn?

GAMEfreak · 28 Oct 2006 at 00:35

its quite simple really, you either get a really big fat loan, or you issue shares. most companies issue shares, and then buy them back at a later date. its pretty neat in that if the company goes bankrupt, they dont have to pay the owners of the shares jack-all. :rolleyes:

then again the dividends from owning shares etc is pretty decent.

Naffa · 28 Oct 2006 at 00:38

Well, I assumed they wouldn't get a loan and because they're an unlimited (PLC?) company and have already issued shares, I wouldn't have thought that was an option.

matt100 · 28 Oct 2006 at 00:49

naffa said:
Well, I assumed they wouldn't get a loan and because they're an unlimited (PLC?) company and have already issued shares, I wouldn't have thought that was an option.

no.. plc's nevr borrow money...

:confused:

do you actually mean what you just said?

I have no view on whether intel will buy NV but man intel could click their fingers and having money coming out of every hole (for the right deal obviously).. in the highly unlikely event that they go bust the bank would come second only to the taxman, its the shareholders that would get stiffed.

matt100 · 28 Oct 2006 at 00:52

oh yeah.. for the record.. £500 is madness

I bought a couple of 7800gtxs not long after launch and had doubts I was a mental after spending £600 on 2 cards.. not far off that on one is bonkers and I for one remember how rapidly the 7800gtx 512mb collapsed in value, and the x1800xt 512mb.. shan't be making that mistake again.

I'm firmly in the "6 months ago" card bin now.. You all scurry off and buy 8800s and I'll hoover up a 7950gx2 ta very much.

Snax · 28 Oct 2006 at 00:55

more likely to be a merger and acquisition deal no?

intel give 6 billion plus x intel shares to nvidia shareholders

Naffa · 28 Oct 2006 at 01:28

matt100 said:
no.. plc's nevr borrow money...

do you actually mean what you just said?

Damn I knew I should never have posted something I wasn't sure about... I must be getting a bit rusty after my two years of GCSE business studies.

I'm pretty sure you could sense my hesitation in the post.. But don't worry I'm used to it on here.

ernysmuntz · 28 Oct 2006 at 01:59

titaniumx3 said:
Quoted for truth. Same thing happened when the X1950XTX came out and people were saying it sucked because it was getting demolished by the GX2. I mean, well what the heck do you expect?! GX2 is more or less two 7900GTs, very powerful cards anyway.

Also remember as drivers get tweaked better, vista/dx10 comes out and games start to harness its full potential we'll see the card surpassing the current gen even more.

First paragraph, true although your just saying what happened.

Second paragraph is rubbish I'm afraid, graphics cards aren't games consoles. There only so much driver updates can do (There has only be one time in history where a graphics card has seen a massive boost from a driver and that was about 5 years ago with the Geforce4 series)

What you see is what you get....or worse. It never gets better.

It gets worse because games get more intensive and the way things are going its always the shader performance that gets let down over time, and so its a spiralling downward.

Developers these days don't try and "squeeze every last drop of performance" from graphics cards.

ernysmuntz · 28 Oct 2006 at 02:01

naffa said:
Well, I assumed they wouldn't get a loan and because they're an unlimited (PLC?) company and have already issued shares, I wouldn't have thought that was an option.

lol your business studies are well rough then mate, I did it about 7 years ago and still remember plc...public limited company, (limited liability)

ernysmuntz · 28 Oct 2006 at 02:02

....uhhhhh i think.....

ernysmuntz · 28 Oct 2006 at 02:03

Snax said:
more likely to be a merger and acquisition deal no?

intel give 6 billion plus x intel shares to nvidia shareholders

It wouldn't be a merger, nvidia is too small.

ernysmuntz · 28 Oct 2006 at 02:06

GAMEfreak said:
its quite simple really, you either get a really big fat loan, or you issue shares. most companies issue shares, and then buy them back at a later date. its pretty neat in that if the company goes bankrupt, they dont have to pay the owners of the shares jack-all. then again the dividends from owning shares etc is pretty decent.

Dividend isn't a right, its paid when the companies doing well, if it ain't doing well you don't get nothin.

If a company issues more shares it decreases the value of the company, more slices of pie, but the pie's the same size.

JAG1977 · 28 Oct 2006 at 02:09

ernysmuntz said:
First paragraph, true although your just saying what happened.

Second paragraph is rubbish I'm afraid, graphics cards aren't games consoles. There only so much driver updates can do (There has only be one time in history where a graphics card has seen a massive boost from a driver and that was about 5 years ago with the Geforce4 series)

What you see is what you get....or worse. It never gets better.

It gets worse because games get more intensive and the way things are going its always the shader performance that gets let down over time, and so its a spiralling downward.

Developers these days don't try and "squeeze every last drop of performance" from graphics cards.

And thats why in 12-18 months time 'inferior' 360/PS3 technology will be outperfroming first gen DX10 titles run on G80.

PC's extra grunt is wasted.

ernysmuntz · 28 Oct 2006 at 02:09

rippling said:
intel could buy nvidia 3 times over, but they have to raise the money first..... liquidate some cash, but i dont think it will happen ,

Companies hardly ever outright buy another company, they would buy an overall majority share in it, offer shareholder of the company they want to buy stock options in their company to pay for most of it.

lol you guys really don't have a clue

You don't liquidate cash, you liquidate assests.

cash is liquid

hence "to turn your assets into liquid" cash is the easiest asset to transfer throughout business - "liquid".

no offense

ihatelag · 28 Oct 2006 at 02:17

ernysmuntz said:
Futurue proofing is like chasing a rainbow. We don't live in tomorrows age today, we play with what whe got. Whenever the future (in terms of graphics cards) is revealed. It alaways turns out pear shaped, and that "futureproof" piece of kit you paid a stupid amount of money for is no faster than something half its price (6 months in the future)....

Well we're not chasing rainbows, it's a guarunteed fact the card is future proof - you see that the card has it's potential for longevity - especially when looking at playing DX10 games/content. You can't do that with any other card on the market at the moment.

That sounds like some summary of a japanese anime....makes no sense. Badically, just look back to the Geforce FX series, it did alright in Directx 8.1, but with DX9, and when lots of shaders started to get used it turned out to be an underpowered turkey.

8.1 and DX9 were not running conroe-esq 64 bit systems when they were released - my point being (minus the sarcasm

)things have moved far forward since then - the gap between DX10 and DX9 is visibly significant - I believe even links have been posted in this thread and forum.

For all we know, when it comes to dx10 the 8800GTX could be the same, we just don't know yet. So saying that its only going to get better with DX10 is total rubbish.

Can't say it's going to rock the socks off, but its made for DX10 so moving from DX9 -> DX10 will make things significantly better...especially for the users to experience the content.

Ulfhedjinn said:
What?! DirectX 9 is a hell of a lot mature than DirectX 10 is, if anything this card will most likely perform better in Windows XP than in Windows Vista. In fact I'd put money on it, benchmark your system in Windows XP and then in Windows Vista RC1 (and don't pull out the "Vista isn't done yet," I know it's not, but the system requirements for Vista aren't going to magically cut themselves in half before it goes gold.)

Not enough tests done yet, once it's fully released (Vista), you will see

(Plus vista specific benchmark tools need to made)

It's not "made for Windows Vista" at all, it's made for any OS that can run or emulate DirectX 9 and also DirectX 10. This includes most versions of Windows (2000 and XP as legacy support for '95 and '98 has ended) and Linux too.

I never said it wasn't made for other OS's (grrr read the post carefully

) - I said that it would be future proofed and improve over time rather than the current graphics cards on the market. I had made an assumption (from my previous post) that people will upgrade to Vista to use DX10.

Just wait until a full version of XP Vista is out, and im sure you will be astonished how well it works.