BFG 8800 GTX/GTS arriving at OcUK soon and some images for you all!!

[easyrider]

if people dont want to spend £500 on a card , do , wait a few months you will get it for 350 maybe less , and there might be some dx10 games then to

Some people don't want to wait.
Some people dont see £150 as a lot of money.

Its that simple.

You may not be one of those poeple but stop going on about waiting and saving money.

Some people dont need to save money they have money to spend how they wish.They want the card on release.

Some people don't care about saving 150 quid.

I can blow 100 quid on a night out.

I see people wasting more than 500 quid on brand new AM2 rigs all the time on this forum.

Its there choice!

LMAO

 

[Darkwave]

Why on earth would you spend that amount of money on a dead end technology now (granted if you've had one for a while now then fair enough)?

Dead end technology? Hahahahahahahha.

Hello! Hello McFly. *Knocks on Athanor's head.* McFly!

Yeah, how many games are coming out with DirectX 10 in 2007? I can count that on one hand. How many of those games will require Vista to run in DirectX 10 mode? All of them. How many of those games are going to have DirectX 8/9 support? Oh yeah, all of them (with the unconfirmed exception of Alan Wake.)

So, yeah, how is DirectX 9 dead-end technology again? Are you one of these people who thought that everyone should rush out and buy a 6600 or 6800 as soon as Shader Model 3.0 was announced? Because look at Shader Model 3.0 today, only a handful of games even support it and only two games require it.

Good luck with that "false economy." While you are buying £500 graphics cards for 2000 more 3D Marks and DirectX 10 support, someone with a GX2 will be happily playing all the same games in DirectX 9 with 2000 marks less for £200-£300 or so.

That is why I would buy "dead-end technology."

The only person who's doing the 8800GTX thing right is easyrider. It's probably going to cost him £150 max for it, anyone buying an 8800GTX outside of his method (eVGA step-up) is frankly a chump.

 

[Tooks]

I don't think you're comparing apples with apples when comparing SM3 to DX10?

One is a model with questionable benefit to games, as has been proved with subsequent releases, but DX10 is a different animal and all the major games houses will be programming for it.

Yes, they'll be releasing DX9 versions in all probability as that's where the majority of the user base (customers) will be for some time, but DX10 does seem to make more of the hardware and make it easier to program the eye candy.

If you're not getting one, then fine, but I think it's a bit unfair to state that people who do want to embrace the technology early are chumps!!

Ok, in the early days, they won't actually have any DX10 games to play, but they'll still have some next gen graphics hardware which as we all know is always faster than the last lot...

 

[Darkwave]

I don't think you're comparing apples with apples when comparing SM3 to DX10?

One is a model with questionable benefit to games, as has been proved with subsequent releases, but DX10 is a different animal and all the major games houses will be programming for it.

Sorry, for a moment there I thought you were talking about the difference between SM2 and SM3 since this is the exact kind of stuff people were saying back then too.

See my point?

Ok, in the early days, they won't actually have any DX10 games to play, but they'll still have some next gen graphics hardware which as we all know is always faster than the last lot...

The 8800GTX has been shown to bench 1k or 2k points higher than the 7950GX2 in 3D Mark 06, which we all know in real-world gaming performance means practically squat.

7950GX2 = £350
8800GTX = £500

So, you were saying?

 

[rippling]

Dead end technology? Hahahahahahahha.

Hello! Hello McFly. *Knocks on Athanor's head.* McFly!

Yeah, how many games are coming out with DirectX 10 in 2007? I can count that on one hand. How many of those games will require Vista to run in DirectX 10 mode? All of them. How many of those games are going to have DirectX 8/9 support? Oh yeah, all of them (with the unconfirmed exception of Alan Wake.)

So, yeah, how is DirectX 9 dead-end technology again? Are you one of these people who thought that everyone should rush out and buy a 6600 or 6800 as soon as Shader Model 3.0 was announced? Because look at Shader Model 3.0 today, only a handful of games even support it and only two games require it.

Good luck with that "false economy." While you are buying £500 graphics cards for 2000 more 3D Marks and DirectX 10 support, someone with a GX2 will be happily playing all the same games in DirectX 9 with 2000 marks less for £200-£300 or so.

That is why I would buy "dead-end technology."

The only person who's doing the 8800GTX thing right is easyrider. It's probably going to cost him £150 max for it, anyone buying an 8800GTX outside of his method (eVGA step-up) is frankly a chump.

cpuldnt have said it better m8 , if your card is doing more than 60fps in ANY game just now , you simply wont see any differance whatsoever with the g80 , none ! as the current dx9 cards cut through everything anyway , for a lot less than £500
and no i am not dissing the g80 , for a single card 12k in 3dmark is the fastest we have ever seen , but at that price point , just for 3dmark bragging rights na i will leave it .
But hey to each there own , if buying the latest gear makes you happy and you have the money , knock yourself out!

 

[Tooks]

I see your point very clearly Ulfhedjinn, I just happen not to agree with it!

I know that looking back in history can be a good indicator of the future, but consider that in this instance you may be wrong?

As a side point, why is spending £500+ in 2 chunks over a 6 month period any better than spending £500 in one go now in your eyes?!

Either the card is worth laying £500 out on or it isn't...

 

[easyrider]

cpuldnt have said it better m8 , if your card is doing more than 60fps in ANY game just now , you simply wont see any differance whatsoever with the g80 , none ! as the current dx9 cards cut through everything anyway , for a lot less than £500
and no i am not dissing the g80 , for a single card 12k in 3dmark is the fastest we have ever seen , but at that price point , just for 3dmark bragging rights na i will leave it .
But hey to each there own , if buying the latest gear makes you happy and you have the money , knock yourself out!

Not all people get the cards for 3D mark bragging rights.

People get the cards for the interest and the perfromance and for the hell of it.

Sounds to me that you wouldn't get the G80, not out of choice,but as you do not have the money to get one.

Some people do,So deal with it.

By the way,Why do you think people with single x1900's go Xfire?

Cause their single card solutions are cutting through all the latest games?

Rubbish.

They go and get xfire costing around £500 for more performance in games.
The G80 offers this xfire speed for the same outlay with a single card.

I can't beleive you still don't get it.lol

 

[Darkwave]

I see your point very clearly Ulfhedjinn, I just happen not to agree with it!

I know that looking back in history can be a good indicator of the future, but consider that in this instance you may be wrong?

Hmmm. Shader Model 3.0, 64-bit processors, multi-core processors... I can fully admit I don't have a crystal ball, but I think there's a pattern developing and that I've been well on the ball up to now don't you?

As a side point, why is spending £500+ in 2 chunks over a 6 month period any better than spending £500 in one go now in your eyes?!

Either the card is worth laying £500 out on or it isn't...

Six months? I got my X1900XT 512MB a few months ago and am totally confident that it will last until late summer or even this time next year. If I did decide to buy a 7950GX2 now (if I would even consider spending more than £200 on a graphics card that is), what on earth makes you think it wouldn't see through the next six months?

Easyrider, since you're here... Say you hit your heard and you didn't want to upgrade your card yet, and you weren't fussy about playing upcoming games in DirectX 9 mode, do you think your 7950GX2 would see you through the next six months or would it suddenly become painful to use to the point that you would just have to upgrade it?

 

[easyrider]

Either the card is worth laying £500 out on or it isn't...

Is laying out:

ATI Radeon X1950 XT-X ***Crossfire/Master Edition*** SILENT Heatpipe 512MB GDDR4 (PCI-Express) - Retail (GX-051-CO)
£249.99 £249.99
GX-050-CO Connect3D ATI Radeon X1950 XT-X SILENT Heatpipe 512MB GDDR4 AVIVO TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (GX-050-CO)
£244.99 £244.99
Subtotal £494.98
VAT £86.63
Total £581.61


worth it?

NOPE!

At least the G80 offers this speed with a single card.

 

[Darkwave]

At least the G80 offers this speed with a single card.

So does the 7950GX2 for £350, even less.

 

[Nelly]

Some people don't want to wait.
Some people dont see £150 as a lot of money.

Its that simple.

You may not be one of those poeple but stop going on about waiting and saving money.

Some people dont need to save money they have money to spend how they wish.They want the card on release.

Some people don't care about saving 150 quid.

I can blow 100 quid on a night out.

I see people wasting more than 500 quid on brand new AM2 rigs all the time on this forum.

Its there choice!

LMAO

Totally correct in my opinion, a lot of people go out every weekend blowing £100+ on a night out I can assure you of that people moan about people wasting money on new rigs etc, fair enough but thats their decision!

Do whatever makes you happy, but dont moan about people spending their money, sure give them advice on better solutions/cost against performance but dont be negative towards people at the same time - if that makes sense?

If people find happiness in spending X amount of money on new upgrades let them be! whether its a waste of money or not well is that really an issue as long as it makes people happy?

Thats not to Easyrider by the way, thats to people in general.

 

[Tom|Nbk]

Dead end technology? Hahahahahahahha.

Hello! Hello McFly. *Knocks on Athanor's head.* McFly!

Yeah, how many games are coming out with DirectX 10 in 2007? I can count that on one hand. How many of those games will require Vista to run in DirectX 10 mode? All of them. How many of those games are going to have DirectX 8/9 support? Oh yeah, all of them (with the unconfirmed exception of Alan Wake.)

So, yeah, how is DirectX 9 dead-end technology again? Are you one of these people who thought that everyone should rush out and buy a 6600 or 6800 as soon as Shader Model 3.0 was announced? Because look at Shader Model 3.0 today, only a handful of games even support it and only two games require it.

Good luck with that "false economy." While you are buying £500 graphics cards for 2000 more 3D Marks and DirectX 10 support, someone with a GX2 will be happily playing all the same games in DirectX 9 with 2000 marks less for £200-£300 or so.

That is why I would buy "dead-end technology."

The only person who's doing the 8800GTX thing right is easyrider. It's probably going to cost him £150 max for it, anyone buying an 8800GTX outside of his method (eVGA step-up) is frankly a chump.

i agree with everything here, well said!

 

[Darkwave]

i agree with everything here, well said!

Aye and the funny thing is I will be happily playing those games on an X1900XT, never mind a 7950GX2.

Money in the bank.

 

[rippling]

i have the money to get one just spent about £1500 on my new pc , still to get graphics !
what do you mean I dont get it , i am afraid YOu dont get it , i said if you want to spend £500 on a card go ahead , MY point was that in current games YOU WONT SEE ANY DIFFERENCE! why is that so hard to under stand?
also people dont get the lastest hardware for bragging rights ....rubbish
if you arnt getting a g80 for bragging about 3d mark , what else will you use it for ?
a x1900xt
x1950xt
7900 gto
7900gtx
or 7950gx2
will bury most if not all games engines just now
as i said i have no problem with anyone running out to buy a new g80
(so they can tell us all they have one) and posting there 12k`ish 3d marks on here

 

[easyrider]

So does the 7950GX2 for £350, even less.

Not quite,

I certainly wouldn't advocate spending £350 now on a GX2 if in the market for a GFX card.

I would get a 7600 GT and put up with pants GFX for another 8 -12 weeks until G80 drops in price.

Unless your me of course with a step up program to use.

 

[Darkwave]

Not quite,

I certainly wouldn't advocate spending £350 now on a GX2 if in the market for a GFX card.

I would get a 7600 GT and put up with pants GFX for another 8 -12 weeks until G80 drops in price.

Unless your me of course with a step up program to use.

LOL true I keep forgetting about the step-up programme. Okay but say your GX2 had no step-up on it and you'd already bought it, could you see yourself getting rid of it any time soon?

Personally, I think that the 8800GTX is only a decent deal if you already have an expensive card with a step-up like you do. Otherwise you're better off buying something cheaper, the 7950GX2 specifically, if you want 8800GTX performance but aren't bothered about DX10.

Or, like you said, you can always wait until the 8800GTX drops in price (which it will in due time, and like a stone.)

 

[rippling]

Is laying out:

ATI Radeon X1950 XT-X ***Crossfire/Master Edition*** SILENT Heatpipe 512MB GDDR4 (PCI-Express) - Retail (GX-051-CO)
£249.99 £249.99
GX-050-CO Connect3D ATI Radeon X1950 XT-X SILENT Heatpipe 512MB GDDR4 AVIVO TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (GX-050-CO)
£244.99 £244.99
Subtotal £494.98
VAT £86.63
Total £581.61


worth it?

NOPE!

At least the G80 offers this speed with a single card.

what speed ex.?
3dmark , a totaly synthetic beanchmark
you dont need crossfire or sli to run most games just now a single one of these cards are more than enough
try £260 to 300 for 2 x1950 pros , if they overclock well , they should match g80 in 3dmark

 

[Tom|Nbk]

Aye and the funny thing is I will be happily playing those games on an X1900XT, never mind a 7950GX2.

Money in the bank.

same here, winner!

 

[easyrider]

i have the money to get one just spent about £1500 on my new pc , still to get graphics !
what do you mean I dont get it , i am afraid YOu dont get it , i said if you want to spend £500 on a card go ahead , MY point was that in current games YOU WONT SEE ANY DIFFERENCE! why is that so hard to under stand?
also people dont get the lastest hardware for bragging rights ....rubbish
if you arnt getting a g80 for bragging about 3d mark , what else will you use it for ?

I said some not all:

Also the reason that someone would get a G80 is to have SLI performance with a single card solution.This will allow SLI 8800 down the line.

Also a x1900 xtx will not cut it on a 24" Dell
A G80 will...

I can give you more reasons but I'm afraid I don't have time to spoon feed you

 

[rippling]

Not quite,

I certainly wouldn't advocate spending £350 now on a GX2 if in the market for a GFX card.

I would get a 7600 GT and put up with pants GFX for another 8 -12 weeks until G80 drops in price.

Unless your me of course with a step up program to use.

BTW you keep going on about the step up program , you seem very sure that evga are going to have the card on there step up program?
evga states that there decition is final about what cards are allowed on the stepup program,
Also if the g80 is limited , evga will class the card as a limited version and WONT be on the step up , also if nvidia has banned partners from overclocking the cards , evga might hold back the card for further testing , or might wait for the refresh before releasing it on the step up program.
i email evga about this , and there comments were they cant discuss where the g80 will or wont be added to the step up program on release.