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BFG 8800 GTX/GTS arriving at OcUK soon and some images for you all!!
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This is one issue I disagree with easyrider on 
Him paying £150 for the step-up programme isn't anything magical, as has already been pointed out he will have still paid £500 total for a 8800 like every other mug. The only thing it saves him doing really is selling his card on MM or at auction and the hassle that can bring, that's it.
I don't think the argument that "if you've got the money why shouldn't you" works really either. You may have the money, £150 might be chump change, but it doesn't alter the simple economics that paying through the nose for this card when you can get something which is almost identical in performance terms (7950GX2) for a lot less is stupid. It's a big gamble on technology (Vista and DX10) that won't become "required spec" for games for at least 6 months after Vista release if not longer.
By the time that the technology has matured to the point where DX10 is truly being exploited and Vista is the preferred OS over XP, 8800s will be given away free with Kelloggs Frosties when you collect 10 tokens.
Personally I think its prudent to skip this generation of cards and wait for the next generation when ATI/Nvidia have nailed the yield and performance down properly. Either that, or waiting for those idiots who jump on the bandwagon early to sell their 8800s on the MM for half what they paid.
Him paying £150 for the step-up programme isn't anything magical, as has already been pointed out he will have still paid £500 total for a 8800 like every other mug. The only thing it saves him doing really is selling his card on MM or at auction and the hassle that can bring, that's it.I don't think the argument that "if you've got the money why shouldn't you" works really either. You may have the money, £150 might be chump change, but it doesn't alter the simple economics that paying through the nose for this card when you can get something which is almost identical in performance terms (7950GX2) for a lot less is stupid. It's a big gamble on technology (Vista and DX10) that won't become "required spec" for games for at least 6 months after Vista release if not longer.
By the time that the technology has matured to the point where DX10 is truly being exploited and Vista is the preferred OS over XP, 8800s will be given away free with Kelloggs Frosties when you collect 10 tokens.
Personally I think its prudent to skip this generation of cards and wait for the next generation when ATI/Nvidia have nailed the yield and performance down properly. Either that, or waiting for those idiots who jump on the bandwagon early to sell their 8800s on the MM for half what they paid.
this is what i have been trying to get across along with others , but you have said it far better!Durzel said:This is one issue I disagree with easyrider on
I don't think the argument that "if you've got the money why shouldn't you" works really either. You may have the money, £150 might be chump change, but it doesn't alter the simple economics that paying through the nose for this card when you can get something which is almost identical in performance terms (7950GX2) for a lot less is stupid. It's a big gamble on technology (Vista and DX10) that won't become "required spec" for games for at least 6 months after Vista release if not longer.
By the time that the technology has matured to the point where DX10 is truly being exploited and Vista is the preferred OS over XP, 8800s will be given away free with Kelloggs Frosties when you collect 10 tokens.
Personally I think its prudent to skip this generation of cards and wait for the next generation when ATI/Nvidia have nailed the yield and performance down properly. Either that, or waiting for those idiots who jump on the bandwagon early to sell their 8800s on the MM for half what they paid.
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rippling said:
Yeah, lots of CPU limitation in certain places - particularly in far cry and X3. I've got an e6600 running at 3.6Ghz now so that's much improved, but I only have a single 7800GTX (the other died) so I'm holding off. FEAR was almost completely GPU limited though, and even with the two GTXs is was annoyingly slow in places (~30fps in heavy combat, particularly with the slo-mo thingy).
If you have the money and can afford to buy a 8800gtx, DO!
If you don't, fine. Just don't bi*** to people who can.
Simple.
Edit: Can you justify spendin £300,000 on a hi fi?
How about 92,000 on a watch?
£7500 on a suit?
£645,000 on a car?
etc etc
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rippling said:
Why do you insist on saying that even the cheaper cards will "destroy" all current games. That is quite frankly BS, unless you forgot to mention that the games were all set at the lowest resolutions with all details set to lowest.
Having 1 GX2, 2 GX2's or even 7900GTX's in SLi will NOT eneble you to play all games at their fullest detail settings with a decent resolution nevermind 2048 x 1600 and full detail.
Some people actually want the games to be as they were intended to be, which in most cases requires the latest GPU.
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xsnv said:
If you have the money and can afford to buy a 8800gtx, DO!
If you don't, fine. Just don't bi*** to people who can.
Simple.
Edit: Can you justify spendin £300,000 on a hi fi?
How about 92,000 on a watch?
£7500 on a suit?
£645,000 on a car?
etc etc
Because they do not get replaced by something better in 4 months time. They do not have useless features for the moment (DX10 is in Vista, vista is in 4 months time - ooh look lower prices and the better (possibly) R600.
DX10 in my mind is NOT an arguement to buy this card, if you can afford it in the first place then you will bloody well will be in 4 months time with R600 or whatever nvidia have planned next.
If you are going all out for a 2 year upgrade then G80 is pointless, I very much doubt it has the power to render all these new DX10 pixels at high res.
Get a X1900XT which does fine up to 1600x1200.
£500 for a gfx card then £300 for Vista.
Top graphics card for DX9, well, fine, but I still think its not worth it over a £250 X1900XT.
You are pandering to nvidias wants, that is buying these cards at top wack because they have DX10 - a absolutly pointless feature. I've seen no DX10 benchmarks, or the fact these cards can handle DX10 + high res. Looking at those screenies there are a dam sight more pixels to render than DX9. 1920x1200 on a 2407, well again, DX9 ok, DX10? no...
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Ah ok, difficult to understand the tone on here sometimes.Tooks said:Not upset at all my friend, just having a bit of fun, hence the smiley!
Yeah of course, but I think it's safe to say that someone like easyrider feels he's got his money's worth out of his 7950GX2 so really the step-up to an 8800GTX is very cheap.Tooks said:
Oh I wasn't saying it's literally cheaper in terms of money spent, but if you take into account that the person doing it feels like they've got their money's worth out of it then it's win-win. Of course, some people might not feel like that, and for those people it must be a disheartening blow.Tooks said:
Them's fighting words.Tooks said:
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Jesus. You are off moaning like its your money that people are spending. I will be buying two 8800 gts in sli and i'll bet you that will be powerful enough to play dx10 at a decent res. You obviously wouldnt be buying the card but I will. If that makes you angry then thats your business.Concorde Rules said:
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Come on prices will come down and a gts will be below 300, the gtx will be 350ish until it gets old. But anyone would be nuts to buy an x1900 instead. They are old technology now, along with the gx2s etc. Yes i know no dx10 games exist, but unified shaders larger memory, wider memory bandwith, these all matter.
Anything less is old hat straight away if you want save money buy last years model, but i dont really see that as the point of this thread.
On the of chance, i have an x1900xt does antone know if the gts or dare i say gtx is comparable in length. (in this case shorter is better). I have a p180, how the heck could i get a gtx in there?
Anything less is old hat straight away if you want save money buy last years model, but i dont really see that as the point of this thread.
On the of chance, i have an x1900xt does antone know if the gts or dare i say gtx is comparable in length. (in this case shorter is better). I have a p180, how the heck could i get a gtx in there?
Concorde Rules said:
Hey, I can't even afford to buy a 8800gtx in my dreams! lol. I just understand that affordability is a relative term. Some - actually a lot of - people would consider £200 a ridiculous amount to spend on a graphics card. Are they wrong or right?!
The 8800gtx doesn't cost £500 + because thats what it cost nvidia to make it or because nvidia think it's performance warrants the tag. It costs £500 because initial demand will vastly outweigh supply and you're paying a premium for the right to say "My rig will sh** on yours and not feel bad about it". It's worth it to some people.
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The 7950GX2 and 8800GTX score roughly the same in 3D Mark '06 (yes, I know it's synthetic, but it gives you a rough idea of game performance) so I really don't see how the 7950GX2 can be called "old tech" when compared.Slam62 said:
Pretty much the only thing to distinguish the 8800GTX at this point is DirectX 10 compatibility, and that's hardly worth £500 considering the 7950GX2 is £350. If you want the absolute cutting edge, or simply must have DirectX 10 support, then the 8800GTX is ideal but apart from that there's no reason to call the 7950GX2 (or even the X1K/GF7 series) cards "old tech" at this point.
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hmmm... i wouldnt put much stock in those screen shots gibbo posted, the game itself in preview footage looks no where near as good and the 2 screen shots after the UT2K7 are actually artist impressions, not actual DX10 footage of any particular game.
I have to say this, although I find this thread very entertaining, it makes me laugh when you have ones on here with gx2's upgrading already and getting rid of their "yesterdays old hat tech".
Makes it even funnier when a dx10 game finally arrives, and a new shiny dx10 graphics card will appear and you guys will be like hmm I need to upgrade this old hat g8800 to a 8900 or 9900
Lets face it the devs have not got the most out of these cards yet, let alone dx10 ones.
I mean all but the most rich and fanatical people on here its freakin £500+, it makes the ps3 look cheap! and it contains a blue ray player. (I hate sony btw)
Stop giving nvidia your money.
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Makes it even funnier when a dx10 game finally arrives, and a new shiny dx10 graphics card will appear and you guys will be like hmm I need to upgrade this old hat g8800 to a 8900 or 9900
Lets face it the devs have not got the most out of these cards yet, let alone dx10 ones.
I mean all but the most rich and fanatical people on here its freakin £500+, it makes the ps3 look cheap! and it contains a blue ray player. (I hate sony btw)
Stop giving nvidia your money.
Rant off
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