*** Big Fat Weight Loss Thread ***

It's about 2 years since I started the weight loss. I'm happy with how it's gone. This year I've just maintained - both the same weight and a bit of my beer belly. :D

So I decided to see if I can do something about the latter in the run up to Christmas. I've probably gone completely bonkers but ended up buying about £200 worth of Huel. That's all I'm going to live on for six weeks starting November 1st. I have powder shakes for breakfast and dinner, the bars for a snack after I come off my morning run and a selection of savoury meals for tea. Should work out to exactly 1600-1800 kcals each day.

I'm treating it as a kind of experiment more than anything. I shall imagine that I'm on board the International Space Station or that The Walking Dead has come true to life and this is the only food I have available. Can I last 35 days without going round the twist? :confused:
 
Well that won’t help.

Was meant to be heading to see some friends. We’d bought 2 of those pick n mix cups from the supermarket for their kids.

He then rang to cancel as he’d tested positive for Covid and needs to isolate.
I’ve just eaten almost a full cup and now feel sick :(
 
Feel like i've properly settled under 100kg now. Was 99.7kg on Wednesday. Yesterday i had a work lunch out and chose "Cheese and Onion Pie and Chips" (it was a fancy chippy so no healthier option!), i got 2 cheese and onion pasties and a pile of chips, then they brought out a big slice of cheesecake.

This was at around 2pm, then i got home around 6pm and my wife was suggesting she wasn't bothered about tea either since i'd eaten out, although i could tell she was hungry so at half 7 i ordered us each a kebab and so ordered a chicken kebab on naan and we shared some chips. Today i was expecting a decent increase yet still came in at 99.7.

I think starting to do more regular exercise is definitely helping, i just still need to get that focus on food.
 
For me, install MyFitnessPal and keep track of every calorie you consume. Set yourself a target (the app can help with this) and stick to it as best you can.

What shape are you in now? What can you do exercise wise? Walk, run, cycle?
 
Hi
New to the Forum just looking for some information to help lose weight i.e any good quick exercise routines or diets ?

Currently:
Age 52
Height 177cm
Weight 72-74 kgs (approx 12% body fat)

Around 9 years ago I was 94 kilos and technically obese. Then I watched a program on the BBC called Eat, Fast and Live Longer, presented by Michael Mosley (still available on iPLayer). Basically he ate around 600 calories for two non concecutive days and week and then ate noramlly for the other five. After 5 or 6 weeks he lost a stone and lowered his cholesterol as well as significantly lowering blood sugar and IGF levels.

So I decided to give it a go.

First off I switched from drinking tea with milk and sugar to drinking tea without milk and then without both. This was simply because |I didn't want to waste fast day calories on drinks and after a while I switched to black coffee instead.

Once I was happy to not be drinking calories I did some research into what kinds of foods or meals I could eat for 600 calories. For me this means I don't eat breakfast, I have two boiled eggs for lunch (approximately 150 calories) and my evening meal will be something like a single serving of pasta with a half a jar of Loyd Grossman tomato & Chargrilled Vegetables sauce. Or I share an Aldi Meal kit with wife and have a single portion of rice. Or a piece of fish with some boiled potatoes and salad.

For the rest of the working week I'll take a 500g pot of Greek Yogurt mixed with 30g of oats, 100g raspberries, a few walnut halves, a tbsp of maple syrup and eat half for breakfast and half for lunch. Plus a boiled egg at breakfast and lunch.

Evening meals will be a variety of home cooked foods but generally they'll be in the 800-1000 calories range.

Weekends I relax and we generally eat have a curry or a steak on Friday, as well as a few beers (3-4) and share a tub of Pringles or something. Saturday's I generally have a late breakfast or early lunch that might be beans on toast or egg on toast or even a bacon and egg sandwich, plus a takeaway in the evening followed by beer and Pringles again. Sunday will be no breakfast but a full traditional Sunday roast and maybe a small pizza in the evening, as well as anything from 4-7 beers over the day and maybe a third tub of Pringles shared.

TLDR;

I went from 94kgs to 80 kgs in 6 weeks on the 5/2 fasting diet, with no exercise.




To get from 80kgs I did restrict my calorie intake further on my normal eating days to around 1600 a day, even on weekends and started to exercise (jogging) as well. This was for around six to eight weeks before I got married in August 2013 with a target of 70kgs. After that I went back to eating normally on my non fast days and did start weight training at the gym instead of jogging. Since then I've maintained my weight of between 72 and 74kgs. The fast days are generally easy to do now without it even bothering me.

The biggest thing I have found with loosing weight and maintaining it is excerise isn't really required, it helps with the change in lifestyle that 5/2 fasting is, but it doesn't do much to loose any additional weight.

To put that into context: For me a 3km walk to the gym from my house at a pace 7.5 km/hr takes around 24 minutes, during which my heart rate averages 135 b/m.

According to my fitness tracker this burns just 240 calories

Or 3 chocolate digestive biscuits.

So for me I'd rather not eat 3 chocolate biscuits than have to spend 24 minutes walking at my maximum walking pace to burn them off.

Or in another context.

For 4 weeks straight after my summer holiday I went to the gym every day and weight trained for 35-45 minutes, walked to and from the gym every day, as well as a morning walk of around 3km at 7.5km/hr.

My eating stayed the same and so did my weight. I didn't loose any weight, nor did I loose or gain any inches.

For the last 4 weeks I've gone back to going to the gym 4 days a week for 40-50 minutes.

My eating stayed the same and so did my weight.

TLDR;

Diet wins over excercise for weight loss by a country mile.
 
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Personally I would say it just wasn't the right exercise for weight loss. I don't really understand weight training as a part of a plan specifically to lose weight? That's what I would do to gain weight. When the gyms closed last year my weight gradually dropped. When they reopened you can see my weight gradually go up...

For me, I cycled everyday for an hour to hour and a half, at a high intensity level (burning around 700 to 1,000 cals) and it did wonders for my weight loss.
 
Personally I would say it just wasn't the right exercise for weight loss. I don't really understand weight training as a part of a plan specifically to lose weight? That's what I would do to gain weight. When the gyms closed last year my weight gradually dropped. When they reopened you can see my weight gradually go up...

For me, I cycled everyday for an hour to hour and a half, at a high intensity level (burning around 700 to 1,000 cals) and it did wonders for my weight loss.

Didn't go weight training to loose weight. After I dropped to 70kgs I looked like I'd been drained from the top down. So I start weight training to gain a bit of muscle and shape, hence I hover between 72 & 74 kgs.

I don't take supplements or use protein powder. Just eat a little more protein than I did when I was chunky.

HIT interval training is probably the best form of exercise to help with weight loss. As the constant changing of pace confuses your body and stops it's conserving energy. Which is what it does if stick a single pace.

But it's still easier not to stick the food in your mouth in the first.

I mean an hour of intense cycling to burn just 700 calories isn't something that would appeal to your average overweight, sedentary person. Not to begin with anyway. Particularly when you equate that 700 calories to something like a Big Mac and small fries at 770 calories.
 
Resistance training encourages the body to hold on to muscle and bone mineral density when you're dieting. Fat-free mass is metabolically expensive and the body is quite happy with breaking down tissue into amino acids for fuel when food is scarce, so if you lift then it should be year-round regardless of body-composition goals.

Some forms of exercise obviously burn more calories than others but fat loss for everyone other than elite athletes who train full time is almost always a diet thing, and it's definitely the case that things like doing loads of cardio can create greater hunger which then leads to eating more and negating the caloric expenditure of the exercise.
 
But it's still easier not to stick the food in your mouth in the first.

I mean an hour of intense cycling to burn just 700 calories isn't something that would appeal to your average overweight, sedentary person. Not to begin with anyway. Particularly when you equate that 700 calories to something like a Big Mac and small fries at 770 calories.

But that's personal choice really. Is other to exercise and easy what I want.

Also, to me this is part of the problem, people want an easy way to do it, not the best way. So many people noticed me rapidly losing weight and asked how I did it. You could see the disappointment when I basically said 'through lots of hard work'. There are other benefits of exercising aside listing weight. I personally would recommend it as the way to do it, but again, it's personal preference isn't it :)
 
But that's personal choice really. Is other to exercise and easy what I want.

Also, to me this is part of the problem, people want an easy way to do it, not the best way. So many people noticed me rapidly losing weight and asked how I did it. You could see the disappointment when I basically said 'through lots of hard work'. There are other benefits of exercising aside listing weight. I personally would recommend it as the way to do it, but again, it's personal preference isn't it :)

I agree.

The main point I was making was excerise isn't the best way to loose weight against eating less calories.

For people, like me, that enjoy a takeaways, snacks and beer etc. 5/2 fasting allows the best of both worlds if you can stick to it. It also means I don't have to spend 10 hours a week burning off all the beer and pies.
 
For people, like me, that enjoy a takeaways, snacks and beer etc. 5/2 fasting allows the best of both worlds if you can stick to it. It also means I don't have to spend 10 hours a week burning off all the beer and pies.

I think that's the thing, if you don't enjoy the exercise then what's the point (if the pure goal is weight loss vs being healthier/fitter).

I'm like Andy in that i will exercise a lot which allows me to eat more rubbish food, but that's mainly because i enjoy the exercise element a lot.
 
I think that's the thing, if you don't enjoy the exercise then what's the point (if the pure goal is weight loss vs being healthier/fitter).

I'm like Andy in that i will exercise a lot which allows me to eat more rubbish food, but that's mainly because i enjoy the exercise element a lot.

I think for me, once I became used to exercising regularly and became conditioned to it (as in, not being so unfit that my body really suffered trying to recover after exercise), the positives switched largely to being mental. I don't really chase numbers anymore, I just do my routine and work the numbers gradually up to maintain a level of effort, etc. However the time put aside to exercise gives me free time to think things over, and alongside the endorphin hit I really do think it has kept my mental health better than it otherwise would be. Not to mention any group based exercise or club can be a nice place to chat and make friends in what I consider to be a level and neutral place. I haven't felt much, if any, social point scoring or judgement or the like, and I enjoy that atmosphere. That comes down to my own mind gremlins though!

Nice to not worry about watching what I eat too much as well, even if I am sensible :D.

It is possible to go way to far in the other direction and do too much exercise though. It really is addictive for some.
 
Personally I would say it just wasn't the right exercise for weight loss. I don't really understand weight training as a part of a plan specifically to lose weight? That's what I would do to gain weight.

I think we're into this difference of weight loss vs fat loss.

I've always had my most success losing body fat with weight/resistance training, as mentioned above, cardio workouts leave me craving food and tend to binge and lose control more than when i've done resistance work.

That's just what works for me though.
 
Bit of a milestone day for me today. After two years, I deleted my food tracking details from Cronometer as I feel it's time to get on and eat without weighing and recording every single thing. It'll be easy for the next few weeks as I'm living on 100% Huel so will be very difficult to overeat. But I've got a good grip on good foods and bad foods so it should be straightforward. Currently at about 82kg, don't know if it's possible but I'd like to be 72kg by Christmas.
 
Bit of a milestone day for me today. After two years, I deleted my food tracking details from Cronometer as I feel it's time to get on and eat without weighing and recording every single thing. It'll be easy for the next few weeks as I'm living on 100% Huel so will be very difficult to overeat. But I've got a good grip on good foods and bad foods so it should be straightforward. Currently at about 82kg, don't know if it's possible but I'd like to be 72kg by Christmas.

been on 50-75% Huel myself for around 6 years. Tried all the flavours but the vanilla is the only one I can truly say I like :D are you on the black Huel?
 
been on 50-75% Huel myself for around 6 years. Tried all the flavours but the vanilla is the only one I can truly say I like :D are you on the black Huel?

I’m going to mix it up - white vanilla for breakfast and black vanilla for dinner. Got five boxes of the little flavour sachets so there will be some variety. Then one of the savoury meals for tea.
 
Hi
New to the Forum just looking for some information to help lose weight i.e any good quick exercise routines or diets ?

Fasting. It's actually healthy for you too. That is the fastest and easiest method. I have fastest the longest time for with water and supplements only (vitamins and electrolytes) zero calories for 3 days then broke it on the fourth then fasted again for 3 straight days.

I have also fasted for 3 days on another occasion then started a vegetable juice diet for 2 more days to make it a liquid only fast for 5 days where no calories were consumed on the first 3 days.

To keep it off requires a long term change. There is no point in you getting the weight off going back to old habits and then putting it back on because people who do that tend to put more weight on than before they started. So you are going to end up fatter again if you don't make permanent changes to your diet and physical activity.

You can have a 6 pack through diet alone but a good diet coupled with a good physical routine will keep you healthy. This doesn't mean you need to do hours and hours per day. I'd say 30 mins of intense cardio is enough daily. If it's not intense then you want to do 1-2 hours daily.

That's the major problem. Most folk are sat behind desks 9-5. Sat behind the wheel of a car for an hour or two or on a train and then sat on a couch when home. Humans even as little as 100 years ago would walk for hours on end every day. They didn't have cars or public transport.


Personally I would say it just wasn't the right exercise for weight loss. I don't really understand weight training as a part of a plan specifically to lose weight? That's what I would do to gain weight. When the gyms closed last year my weight gradually dropped. When they reopened you can see my weight gradually go up...

For me, I cycled everyday for an hour to hour and a half, at a high intensity level (burning around 700 to 1,000 cals) and it did wonders for my weight loss.

Wrong. Muscles weigh more than fat yes. But muscles also consume more energy than fat. So someone who has a large muscle mass consumes more calories by sitting still compared to someone the same weight with less muscle mass. There is a difference between fat loss and weight loss. Most people mean fat loss when they say weight loss.

Just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's wrong or again dieting to lose weight is apparently for the lazy is what you said last time. Which was lolworthy and again you have a false idea of how muscle mass works to keep fat low.

https://www.t-nation.com/training/screw-cardio-four-complexes-for-a-shredded-physique
 
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