Blame it on Hiphop

ElRazur said:
I dont see the link between hiphop and violence - No hiphop track has ask anyone to carry a gun or kill someone.
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Eminem said:
Follow me and do exactly what the song says: smoke weed, take pills, drop outta school, kill people and drink, and jump behind the wheel like it was still legal
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Pardon? :p

I would not dismiss hip hop / rap encourages violence, but blaiming it is scapegoating. I take eminems lyrics in jest personally.
 
I dont think anyone is dumbenough to make a blanket statement, i think David Cameron is aiming for tighter controls about who is mature enough to listen to a lot of this gangster rap, as clearly a lot of it is aimed at the impressionable youth, i mean, just look at 50 cents video of him dealing with different stereotypical gangs, its aimed at children and its glorifying being a gangster without actually commiting the crimes, then the kids go out and try and imitate it by commiting crime.

We also need tighter controls in the videogame indusrty, everything should be on par with movies as far as how strictly age limits are followed imo.
 
G18241 said:
RATM :D
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Volume 10 you mean :p

Certain rap music must influence some people enough to lead to them being more violent. People are impressionable, and you only have to watch Channel U in the early hours of the morning to see the kind of **** message these idiots are sending out, stood around in their gangs in the videos, bopping like ****ing headless chickens, going "Baaaarraaaappp baaaarrrraaaapp" holding their hand in the shape of a gun. These guys are brainless morons and I have no doubt they influence other brainless morons to copy the stuff in their videos.

Not all hip-hop/rap is bad however, and there is a lot about with a positive message. It's a shame it's not really heard much in the mainstream; proper skilled rap doesn't seem to be appreciated. The idea that gangster rap doesn't influence some people to be more aggressive is fairly unbelievable in my view.

David Cameron doesn't really have any place to get involved in the debate though, it's fairly minor thing for him to speak out about.
 
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For every 'innocent' hip-hop track there is a 'guilty' hip-hop track.

Personally I find Country music the most violent lyrically.
 
ElRazur said:
Man, you seem to miss the discussion here instead you let off your personal demons man.... :rolleyes:

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Oh, since when did you become the judge of "Normal".....Seriously say something worth while or exercise your right to remain silent.
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He is stating something worthwhile....his opinion, just because you don't agree with it, it does not make it any less worthwhile and should be allowed to state it. (you had no problem stating homosexuals should have no rights whatsoever)

Cameron is scapegoating that much is obvious, just like people have scapegoated video game and films as a bad influence, I like violent video games and films and feel no need to go out hurting or killing people.

However lets be honest rap is a very negative genre, lets look at a couple of examples:

N.W.A: Title's such as **** the police, and lyrics such "I'm the ***** there talking about. 'm the brother that'll smother your mother, then make your sister think I love her" or "Here's a murderer that'll keep you dancin', with a record like Chalres Manson" (there are tons more but those are the only couple that spring to mind atm)

50 Cent: a confessed drug dealer who got shot and is now revelling in his violent criminal past and using it to market himself as some sort of Original Gangsta, and is releasing tracks about being a gangster(criminal) and getting his **** sucked (Candy shop)

So Solid Crew: various gun crime criminal convictions, and one of those guys in prision for attempted murder or somthing

Mark Morrison:waving guns around when doing live performances. Sent to prison for pistol whipping someone(then famously breaking down while in prison and proving what a sissy he really is :D )
 
Hip hop does get blamed for the gun culture, and to a certain extent, it is true. Hip hop used to be about having fun, no violence, no drugs, the late 80's and early 90's hip hop was very positive.

Things changed when Cypress Hill and Dr Dre's the Chronic came out, things started changing from anti drugs to pro mild drugs, and then moved on to hard drugs.

The same thing happened with violence, the early 90's saw a flurry of anti violence collaboration records , the east coast's stop the violence movement, and the west cost "were all in the same gang" collaboration, people like NWA, Tone Loc, MC Hammer, Digital Underground etc were anti violence, even though NWA would rap about being violent.

The problem is these days, there is not too many projects like these kicking about, ive been listening to hip hop for 20 years, and it has changed massively, not all for the good.
 
i-bert said:
GLC are more hip-hop than Fiddy (got shot 9 times) cent.
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ppl obviously need to play some more fps games and learn to go for the headshot already! :) (only joking, even fiddy cent doesn't deserve to die)

hip-hop, rap, most rnb, dnb ....all are a bit gangsta.. and i dont any of them

but in no way are they the cause for violence... the people that listen to them are the violent ones, they just happen to enjoy the music
 
Cameron has a point tbh.

I don't mind rap music, but all that music about gangs and stuff is absolutely pathetic. Being in a gang is a teenage pastime, and teenagers are much more likely to resort to crime under the influence of their 'role models' to be honest.

The “music” conveys the image that beating people up, being part of a crime-fuelled gang and stabbing/raping people is the road to respect. It's sad and pathetic. If rap artists were more origional they might actually compliment the genre!!
 
Chads said:
Let's not be stupid. Ganster rap does promote violence, in just about every way you can promote a cause. It promotes it with its lyrics, it's attitude, it's subtle suggestions and it's blatant instructions. This wouldn't be an issue, but this hardcore message is combined with the ultra-mainstream appeal of international "breakout" rappers; the Young Buck's, Cassidy's and 50 Cent's, who continue to push an incredibly violent message along with pop-beats and broad, mainstream advertising.

There are Hip Hop artists; Common, Talib Kweli, The Roots, Jurassic 5, Mos Def, and a thousand other talented individuals, who rap about life - including violent Ghetto-related issues, wihout needing to tell everyone who listens that it's character building to pick up a Glock and shoot another person for money.
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This would be my post, if a little less exagerrated. :)
 
ElRazur said:
Please point me to one, most likely it was taken out of context. When a rapper speaks, he is like a journalist - He reports what he see and experience on a daily basis.
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ROFL!!!

So every single millionaire rapper with all his bling and massivehouse and cars expperience the "ghettos" every day, whattripe!

The hip hop culture (not just the music the individuals and their actions) glorify violence and crime. EG Snoop Dog recently at the airport.

The music on its own I can just about pass of as close to harmless, it sjust usic. But its the culture that goes with it thats the problem.
 
Generic media response to sensasionalist lyrics in songs.

However...

The music is still crap. Listening to it makes me sometimes wish the people singing it would get shot. My 50 pence.
 
Nice way to get votes, criticise a genre of music a lot of people like :p

I hate people that blame music and games etc for violence.
 
iamgud said:
Nice way to get votes, criticise a genre of music a lot of people like :p

I hate people that blame music and games etc for violence.
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Yes it's annoying, but there is an element of truth behind it. Violent video games have a huge influence on young children.
 
Modern rap/hip-hop exists for only two reasons - as a vehicle for the oversized ego of the 'artist' churning it out, and for the wannabes to use it as the soundtrack to their alpha male mentality. Note I use the term 'artist' in the loosest possible way.

Aside from the violence, there's the 'bling-bling' message that material wealth is to be valued in life above all else - including being a decent person. 50 Cent for example is the epitome of this attitude. Is anyone here seriously going to say that 50 Cent is a person they would like their kids to have as a role model?
 
Music alone cannot drive somebody to kill or act in a violent way. There are many influences in today's society that can make a person who they are and lead to negative things. Examples are poverty, jelousy of others, punishments not being strict enough for young people etc.
Music is also not the only medium to talk about, or show, acts of violence, killing, weapons and so on. There is also the film industry, video games, television, and all of the aforementioned are available for viewing/playing/listneing on the internet. The internet itself is a place where people can spread information to other people worldwide, and as we all know, there are many bad things on the internet that can be accessed by pretty much anyone.
Blaming one medium such as music does not help at all. You must look at the bigger picture and be more open minded.

I've watched movies, played games and listenened to music that contains violence, swearing and references to drugs, sex, guns etc all my life, and i am not a violent person at all. I do not wish to own a gun either.
 
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suicidle_tramp said:
I agree with that, it's down to the individual. I mean I watch some of the most violent movies there are on the shelves, I've never stabbed anyone.
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yet :p

IMHO pop music incites violence - especially when the radio stations start playing the same song again and again - now THAT makes me wanna go commit a street crime

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